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Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:45 am

I can feel the mods groaning.

Welcome one and all, to yet another thread of mine dedicated to the Warriors franchise. This time, I'll be reading through the canonical books and giving you my reactions along the way. Though I've read nearly all the books already, this thread will (mostly) act as if I'm a newcomer to the series, which means that I'll be starting from the very first book and working my way up from there. The 6-books series will be top priority, with the special editions, comics, and field guides being secondary.

Discussion and debates are welcome, so long as you keep it civil!


Reading List
(in order of most to least importance)

Series 1 - In progress
Series 2
Series 3
Field Guides
Special Editions
Series 4
Comics





WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW COMING IN TO THIS:

  • I am a traditionalist, so I will complain about some of the names.
  • I don't care for the Hunters or their dedication to realism and worldbuilding (or lack thereof).
  • This will likely be very harsh, so if you're a hardcore fan, don't bother coming here.
  • I was involved with the fandom for quite some time before leaving it for 3-5 years, only recently jumping back in.
  • I'm fairly experienced in storytelling and characterization. Expect me to ramble about the faultiness of it here.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:45 am

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Book Recommendations

* = Reader recommended, ** =I have yet to read it
Guardians of Ga'Hoole
Watership Down
Tailchaser's Song
Redwall**
Duncton Wood**
The Animals of Farthing Wood**
Varjak Paw**
The Plague Dogs**
Tygrine Cat**
The Sight*
A Dog's Life: The Autobiography of a Stray*
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:46 am

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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:47 am

Frequently Asked Questions and Arguments


Q/A: I don't like that you're so hateful about the writing and characters. You need to stop insulting the Hunters, too!
Response: Well, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. This is a thread devoted to tearing down the series word by word, so if that angers you, by all means, feel free to ignore the thread and go somewhere else. Heck, even start up your own thread talking about how great the Hunters are. I don't care. You can't completely escape differing opinions, especially on the internet.

Q/A: How do you feel about [future character/subject]?
Response: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it, don't worry.

Q/A: I don't disagree with everything you said, but I do think this certain thing you said is wrong/you missed a part in the story that addresses the thing you're complaining about.
Response: Point it out! Be sure to have some quotes on hand (I can give you a link to some PDFs of the series if you need them), and be prepared to argue calmly and carefully. I'll happily admit if I'm wrong; just verify your argument!

Q/A: I thought you said you like the Warriors series! Why are you being so angry about it now?
Response: I like the concept, not the writing, or the writers. The idea of Clans are really interesting and, under a different writer, would have been amazing to read about.

Q/A: I just saw the stupidest Warriors OC! Am I allowed to share it?
Response: Yes, but PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE USERNAME OF THE PERSON WHO OWNS THEM OR COPY PASTE THE BIO. Quotes and paraphrasing are just fine.

Q/A: Who the heck is that stupidly drawn cat with ill proportions?
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That's Sootstorm, the face of the thread and the representation of my reactions to the books. Please do not be alarmed at her astounding lack of realism. She is a cartoon character and cannot be harmed by being drawn badly.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:47 am

Other Series



Warriors Musings


What's the Difference? - Part One
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:06 am

ALRIGHT LETS GET STARTED

Allegiances, Prologue, and Chapter 1

I'd like to start off by noting that the traditionalist naming system came from the first series, in particular the first book. Almost every single suffix in traditionalism can be found in the first allegiances. It's sort of bittersweet to look back and see how sensible the names are at first, with a few exceptions.

And after so long, I've just noticed: isn't it weird how, in the allegiances, Runningwind is specifically referred to as "swift"? These charts are only supposed to describe the physical appearance, so why is his skilled named? We could infer that he's swift, given his name basically means "fast" and "faster". Bizarre that they didn't think to tell us what color he is.

It's the same thing with One-eye and Smallear. They're given unnecessary information instead of the important bits. With a name like One-eye, I would assume her description should be "very pale grey molly with a missing eye". She's in the elder section, so she's obviously old. Why did they need to tell us that she's the oldest cat in the Clan?

And isn't it odd that they don't grant the other Clans the courtesy of having their warriors listed on separate lines like ThunderClan? WindClan and RiverClan don't even get much of an introduction, other than their leaders.

Anyways, the book truly starts off with a battle between two groups that we quickly learn are called ThunderClan and RiverClan (funny, isn't it, how we weren't introduced in the allegiances to the first other Clan that shows up). The way their names are introduced are smooth enough that it doesn't feel ham-fisted, but I do think that Erin didn't need to say "the cat gave a warning yowl and said 'here is the warning'". That's just redundant.

Tigerclaw leaves behind his opponent to protect a warrior who's getting her butt handed to her, and orders her to run and keep herself safe. That's cool of him! He seems like a good guy to have your back in a fight.

The fight is short lived, however, as a cat called Redtail orders ThunderClan to run. Tigerclaw seems pretty mad about it, but if someone had scratched me on the nose and started beating up my friends and then I had to run away like a coward, I'd be mad too. They beat a quick retreat, and we cut to a cat called Bluestar.

She has a quiet conversation with another cat about how times are hard for her Clan, and her disturbance about the loss of territory. I'm kinda weirded out about how she wasn't actually out there, fighting with her deputy. I guess we can chalk it up to there being some kind of rule where the two cats in charge can't fight at the same time, in case one of them gets killed. A leader is a precious commodity, after all.

I can't help but laugh at how Spottedleaf says "Well, no, StarClan hasn't spoken to me in months" and then immediately gets a signal from them that's like "hey, something big's gunna go down. I know we didn't bother to tell you earlier when it could equally be important, but whatevs."

And with the cliche of "ominous prophecy in the prologue" done, we've finished up that part of the book.

One of the weird things about this series is the overuse of certain phrases in lieu of "said", all replaced with cat noises as if we're going to forget that we're watching cats. Take this as a writer's note: "said" is a very important word, because your mind automatically glosses over it in order to get to the important information (what's being said and who's saying it). At least this isn't like Twilight with its thesaurus crush.

So then we get introduced to Rusty, who very clearly finds discomfort with his kittypet life. I appreciate that they gave him a foil in the shape of Smudge, who's pretty much the Baggins to Rusty's Took. Smudge is happy in his easy lifestyle and doesn't care to explore the world around him - he's satisfied staying with his owners and being cute - a perfect kittypet. Rusty, however, has something in his blood that makes him restless, and he desires to get at least a peek of what's outside his fence, even though his friend thinks he's crazy for wanting to do it.

So Rusty goes past the border and ends up fighting briefly with a cat called Greypaw, who is the only one who ever uses the term "tame" and "kitty" in the entirety of the series, as far as I know. He chats with Rusty some and the two quickly become friends, but they're interrupted by Bluestar and Lionheart.

Bluestar notices something in Rusty, particularly his fighting ability, but she gets angry at Rusty for even suggesting that there's enough prey to go around. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure he has no idea about anything in the world. Scaring him off is probably a good idea, but he doesn't know that mice are running low. Why suddenly get all up in his grill and yell at him for it?

Next up: Chapter 2.


Word Count
Yowl: 6
Meow/Mew: 16 (can you believe it?)
Growl: 2
Hiss: 4
Spit: 6
Murmur: 2
Purr: 2
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby I r o n. » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:20 am

*wonders onto thread* Hello.. don't mind me marking?
im quitting this game, i dont even enjoy it anymore, but i really did while it lasted!
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Altias » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:08 pm

I've been looking forward to this for years. I'm super looking forward to the rest of this, and if I can help out somehow (though I don't really think much help is needed), let me know!
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:36 pm

Chapter 2 and Chapter 3

"Well?" hissed Bluestar.

"Well" what? You didn't ask him a question. You just said that he threatens the Clan by stealing prey. I'm not sure what you're asking here.

I like how she gets referred to as a "warrior queen" - without context, it sounds awesome, but she's not exactly a queen, she's a molly. Or a she-cat, apparently, because Erin Hunter didn't bother looking up the actual terms for female cats.

All of a sudden she stops being angry and starts showering praise on Rusty again, which is...weird, but, as we'll see, this sets up for a massive trainwreck of a character. I'll go more into depth with this later as well.

I forgot to mention this before, but the first few scenes in the book take place at night, which is great - cats are inherently nocturnal, so they should be going around their business at night (much like how the Guardians of Ga'Hoole series had the owls working primarily at night). So far, there's a faint sense of realism here that I like. Let's see if it sticks around.

So Bluestar decides that Rusty is a worthwhile investment and invites him into the Clan, and after a morning of thinking about it, he decides to join them. He meets Whitestorm and Lionheart in the daytime-

Wait a second, didn't two scenes take place at night? Why did we suddenly switch to daytime? If the cats move around at night, why were ThunderClan cats sleeping, and if they're active during the day, why was there a battle and patrol going on at night? I mean, it's implied for the most part that they work best during the day, but what about that battle and patrol? That's weirdly inconsistent.

Prepare for me to say that a lot.

Anywho, I would make note of how Rusty is oddly more energetic and "feral" than his fellow kittypets, and how there should be at least some of them who are interested in the going-ons outside, but this is a common thing to happen in the real world - some cats just feel their instincts a lot more than others. The fact that he manages to keep up with the two adult warriors makes it clear that he's either got some feral blood, or that he's one of those anomalies.

So then Bluestar announces to the Clan that they're taking in a new cat because they've "never had so few apprentices". Really? Four/five apprentices is considered too little of a number? That's interesting, because that number stays pretty much the same the entire series, bumping up to six by the time Rising Storm rolls around. In some cases, there's actually a smaller amount of apprentices in the Clan in other books, and it's never mentioned that they're at a dangerously low number of future warriors. Isn't that weird...

Oh, fun fact: in Bluestar's Prophecy, there's a grand total of 3 apprentices in the allegiances. And yet, they've never had so few.

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One cat, at least, gets vocal and starts giving Rusty crap. Honestly, I'm surprised that he's the only one speaking up. If my Clan were in a situation with little food and a lot of fighting, I would be quite mad if my leader just showed up with a kittypet and said "here you go, train him up and don't let him eat all the food". Spottedleaf even points out in the prologue that they have kittens, and those kittens will become apprentices eventually, but Bluestar gets all impatient and just sweeps in a new cat without any warning.

Can I just say what an odd name Longtail is? I mean, kittens are generally short and stubby when they're born, with long tails developing afterwards (speaking from experience, I raised a kitten from scratch and his tail only grew to lemur-length when he got old enough to eat solid food). And I don't think that it's ever mentioned that he's got a long tail.

Like...ever.

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It's not even in his description, or anywhere on the wiki-page. So why on earth is he named Longtail?

After Rusty dukes it out with Wrongname and becomes Firepaw, Graypaw leads him around camp and mentions that Spottedleaf is a very pretty, young cat. Even without noting that he's awfully young to be saying that himself, he really shouldn't be making comments about the attractiveness of a medicine cat. He knows that's against the rules, why would he say it?

But we get interrupted by Ravenpaw bolting in and announcing that the deputy is dead. Oh snap! I wonder how and why?

Next up: Chapter 4.


Word Count
Yowl: 6
Meow/Mew: 17
Growl: 4
Hiss: 7
Murmur: 4
Purr: 3
Caterwaul: 3
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