Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:42 am

Chapter Seventeen

You know, whenever I take these long breaks, part of me misses reading and laughing about these books, but another part of me desperately tries to claw itself out of the quicksand of stupidity and contrivances, screaming for respite. Or at least the ability to swear, because my God.

Tigerclaw realizes that he screwed up yet again and possibly got Cinderpaw killed, and gets all angry at Fireheart because his stupid trap didn't work (not that there's any logical reason it should, as we've covered). When they return home with her, Yellowfang sends Fireheart to Bluestar, since she was asking for him. Quick question: why is Bluestar relying/trusting Fireheart so much? Is it just because he's the main character? Because we require some exposition? Why? I don't understand.

Speaking of, somehow greencough affects leaders terribly, because Bluestar loses a life due to it. I don't get why this is. Why not just save the second-to-last life for a dangerous moment with levity to the plot? This means absolutely nothing right now.

And, apparently, when you're a leader, dying magically heals you. Rat bites? Sickness? Being crushed under a tree? No issue! It's not like we require logic in this story anyway.

Also, it snowed during the night, with no forewarning. I think a good worldbuilding thing would be if there was a scout sent to the edge of the territory to check on the weather. Or just let us know that it's getting cloudy and cold, whatever.

But let's get to the important biz. You know what I'm about to talk about here.

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Let's be fair. A cat who's leg is irreparably damaged is going to have a much harder time fighting or hunting for their Clan, even after they heal. They might have to drag their foot or hobble, and balancing may be an issue. Yellowfang is not entirely wrong in saying that it might just be easier for her to not be a warrior at all.

But to that I say, bullrot. There's more to warrior life than fighting or hunting. Cinderpaw could definitely continue her apprenticeship. I mean, look at Deadfoot! He's got a paw that doesn't even work and he's the deputy of a Clan known for their swiftness. He didn't retire just because of the damages to his body. Rather, he continued onwards, and became the second-in-command. Cinderpaw still has potential, even if she just does patrols or brings in supplies for camp. And, hey, she's got three working legs. Who says she can't find a way to work around that?

So to immediately erase any possibility of her returning to warrior life is straight up insulting. I know Yellowfang is blunt, but if she's as experienced as she is, she shouldn't have just written off such a young cat like that. Not to mention that this is just more angst fuel for Fireheart.

But, whatever, right? Hunter doesn't care. Angst.

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How. How can you possibly already know. You haven't visited her at all since she died. Why do medicine cats magically know these things? Who tells them? Do they see lives just floating away out of the den? Why doesn't anyone else?

Fireheart goes to bed, where Graystripe immediately gets on his case for trying to break him and Silverstream up. Hey, dude, your friend just nearly lost his apprentice. Why are you being such an a-hole? Are you really so self-absorbed that you didn't notice that Cinderpaw's in a critical state right now?

We'll cut off here and yell at Graystripe later. Sorry for this being so short.

Up next: Chapter Eighteen.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Wolvine » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:36 pm

you know, something ive never understood is why leaders lie about having more lives than they do. surely it would be more tactically sound to say you have less than you do, so that if a clan thinks youre on your last life and you get attacked and die, you can spring back and be like "surprise!!"
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Lincoln » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:05 pm

@Arcaii,
I just had to comment on the Yellowfang thing. That part of the book is hinting towards the plot in Yellowfangs secret, you'd have to read the book to understand. Yellowfangs secret starts out when she's just a kit, so it's important to have her say this because… Oh wait- NO SPOILERS! =D

Anyways, my first OCS were: Mothfur/star, Pebblestep, Birdcry, and Foxbreeze. Late came Wolfsky, Sootbriar, and Talonflight. My favorite OC is either Birdcry, or Wolfsky. They lead big roles in my FanFiction series.

I love warriors, but I hate dem typos! They give away what's going to happen next! Am I mistaken, or did they once call Sorrelkit Sorreltail on one page? And I swear Cinderpelt has been mistaken as Cinderheart when Cinderheart didn't exist! It's the worst thing! I usually just laugh about it with my friends, though. My favorite two cats in the actual series are Bluefur/star and Oakheart. I have read Bluestars propechy way to many times. I can't explain why, I just love 'em! I like FireHEART a lot, too, but I hate FireSTAR, when he became leader, his awesome personality was stripped from him. He was basically erased and then redrawn. I hate that, too. Otherwise I love warriors, and I recommend it to all animal lovers.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:23 pm

Wolvine wrote:you know, something ive never understood is why leaders lie about having more lives than they do. surely it would be more tactically sound to say you have less than you do, so that if a clan thinks youre on your last life and you get attacked and die, you can spring back and be like "surprise!!"


I'd rather they not have nine lives at all, but if they must, I like your idea. Lying to everyone does have its advantages, but I'd never give away exactly how many lives I have left (or even a number in general). I'd rather cats see me as potentially immortal than with a set amount of continues.


Dakoda wrote:@Arcaii,
I just had to comment on the Yellowfang thing. That part of the book is hinting towards the plot in Yellowfangs secret, you'd have to read the book to understand. Yellowfangs secret starts out when she's just a kit, so it's important to have her say this because… Oh wait- NO SPOILERS! =D


My suspicions are that she has some magical ability. Am I correct? If so...I am gravely disappointed.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby abxy » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:32 pm

Arcaii wrote:
Dakoda wrote:@Arcaii,
I just had to comment on the Yellowfang thing. That part of the book is hinting towards the plot in Yellowfangs secret, you'd have to read the book to understand. Yellowfangs secret starts out when she's just a kit, so it's important to have her say this because… Oh wait- NO SPOILERS! =D


My suspicions are that she has some magical ability. Am I correct? If so...I am gravely disappointed.

Oh, she does.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Simonpet » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:46 pm

About lives, I think it might be more logical to have the leader's fatal wounds/sickness simply "not affect" them, but each fatal wound/sickness would cost them a life, even if it doesn't show. That way, it might make it trickier to know if you really did deliver a killing blow to the leader.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby agathokakologic » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:01 pm

Arcaii wrote:My suspicions are that she has some magical ability. Am I correct? If so...I am gravely disappointed.


Yep. She can sense what other cats could feel, like pain and hunger, which is why she couldn't become a warrior. But then she learned to block it out anyway and stayed a medicine cat.

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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby koolkatkoolkat123 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:58 pm

Man I'm getting frustrated with people making leaders just over 20 moons, thats the age of a newly made warrior still getting used to their new rank. Even Fireheart didn't become Deputy as soon as he became a warrior, and he had to wait several more moons after that to actually become Leader
Trying to get back into roleplaying, haven't done it for a while. I like roleplaying wolves but they have to be realistic so no alpha beta delta and especially no healer ranks. I like big cats, horses, cats. I like roleplaying warrior cats. I don't play a lot with human characters unless they're shapeshifters or dragon riders.

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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Keriae » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:11 pm

    And at that point he was noted to be a young leader too.
    And people make elders at like, five years. They're still strong and fit enough to serve their Clan!
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:32 am

xXInkTheClownXx wrote:
Arcaii wrote:My suspicions are that she has some magical ability. Am I correct? If so...I am gravely disappointed.

Oh, she does.


Aquamarine Abyss. wrote:Yep. She can sense what other cats could feel, like pain and hunger, which is why she couldn't become a warrior. But then she learned to block it out anyway and stayed a medicine cat.

everyone has powers now


....(sighs)

Erin. Why you gotta ruin the best character.


Simonpet wrote:About lives, I think it might be more logical to have the leader's fatal wounds/sickness simply "not affect" them, but each fatal wound/sickness would cost them a life, even if it doesn't show. That way, it might make it trickier to know if you really did deliver a killing blow to the leader.


The way I prefer it is that the lives are metaphorical - the leader gains the memories of cats before them to guide them onto the right path for their Clan. So if they meet with something and have no idea what to do, they'll receive a flash of recollection, though they know they've never met this before. It would certainly give leadership an ethereal quality.


koolkatkoolkat123 wrote:Man I'm getting frustrated with people making leaders just over 20 moons, thats the age of a newly made warrior still getting used to their new rank. Even Fireheart didn't become Deputy as soon as he became a warrior, and he had to wait several more moons after that to actually become Leader


People seem to translate moons into years, which is a very terrible decision. That and simply liking to have very young characters (due to the person themselves generally being very young).


Keriae wrote:
    And at that point he was noted to be a young leader too.
    And people make elders at like, five years. They're still strong and fit enough to serve their Clan!


To be fair, the average lifespan for a feral cat is about five years. I wouldn't be surprised if they just aged quicker due to such a hard lifestyle.

That said, I'd love to see an elder of a Clan meet with an elder kittypet. Imagine being proud that you survived to be 50 and you met an 80 year old.
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