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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Vaughn. » Thu May 27, 2010 12:41 pm

meri1999 wrote:
::Hades:: wrote:Complete agreement. =| My main art shop is closed and people are nice enough to just bookmark. I'm very grateful for their politeness and would've been a very happy person today, if someone hadn't ruined it. >.>; Ugh, I think I'm going to put a codeword in my rules next time it opens up.


i started out with a code word. it works pretty well. i haven't goten any rude people yet though.


Good for you, I sure hope you don't get any. They can get VERY annoying, especially when you're a rather stubborn person such as me.
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Rainbow Dash » Thu May 27, 2010 2:28 pm

::Hades:: wrote:Ugh, I think I'm going to put a codeword in my rules next time it opens up.

Personally, I think codewords are a bad idea and they really don't stop anything. Most people just scan for the codeword and ignore the rest.

Plus you get codeword puzzles like this (from my "lessons for art shop owners")
1. rule
2. Put orange as the codeword
3. rule
4. rule
5. Don't put orange, I'll ignore you. Put banana instead.
6. rule
7. Don't put banana, put apple pie but instead of apple put cherry.

And that just makes me go "screw it" and not order art because I shouldn't have to play mind games to order from you.
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby grisly bear » Sat May 29, 2010 2:13 pm

Wendigo wrote:
::Hades:: wrote:Ugh, I think I'm going to put a codeword in my rules next time it opens up.

Personally, I think codewords are a bad idea and they really don't stop anything. Most people just scan for the codeword and ignore the rest.

Plus you get codeword puzzles like this (from my "lessons for art shop owners")
1. rule
2. Put orange as the codeword
3. rule
4. rule
5. Don't put orange, I'll ignore you. Put banana instead.
6. rule
7. Don't put banana, put apple pie but instead of apple put cherry.

And that just makes me go "screw it" and not order art because I shouldn't have to play mind games to order from you.

Mhm. This one perosn had a riddle in their art rules. ._.
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Rainbow Dash » Sat May 29, 2010 4:10 pm

Ellis Wolfee wrote:Mhm. This one perosn had a riddle in their art rules. ._.

.... wat. Please tell me you're kidding. What next, are we going to have to solve quantum physics equations to get art?

I'm so adding that to the flipped version of this thread. If I ever finish it.
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby starcrusher » Mon May 31, 2010 12:23 am

I hope you do! I've been eager to read it. :3

Oh--here's a lesson for art shop owners: Do not resort to begging if your art doesn't sell. No "please please order, I'm bored" in bump posts. Art on CS is a competitive market, and most people don't seem to make it through. :/ Art won't be popular if the buyer can tell you didn't put any effort into it, or if it even looks like there's no effort put in. It also won't be popular if it's just plain bad, but you probably shouldn't put that.

Anyway. That was a lot of recommendations, but the main one is: begging is annoying and won't make people want to buy art, so don't do it.

The same goes for "advertising". Do NOT send random people "special offers" from your art shop, and do not mass-PM people asking for business. That's not only a reportable offense, it's also super annoying. In fact, I don't even think you should mention your shop unless someone asks if you have art for sale first. I can't count how many times I've just been having a friendly conversation with someone, then suddenly: "OMG VISITS MAH SHOP PLZ PLZ PLZ". =___=

I now realize I could write this myself if you didn't want to. XD
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Rainbow Dash » Mon May 31, 2010 3:20 pm

I'll be jiggered, I actually FINISHED IT!
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Nawee » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:37 pm

This is a wonderful thread, Tris. I totally approve. For once having a free art shop and working at the BC, I know what it is to be pestered. I hope more people see this and that the customers act more kindly in the future.
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby -Z- » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:12 am

I think this thread and Wendigo's thread are wonderful. Hopefully, both art shop owners and customers will learn to be better by reading these. ^ ^
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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Siria » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:27 pm

Tris wrote:I've been thinking about something recently, and I feel it needs to be called to the attention of the CS community. There is a proper way to treat a person with an art shop, and a lot of people here don't seem to know what that way is. And because of the rudeness, incomprehensible language, and general disrespect a lot of you show to artists here, many of the truly talented individuals who may once have considered doing art for you no longer feel that they can keep up when they are shown nothing but fowl manners and general stupidity.

Be polite. Being rude will not get a thing done for you with an artist in the real world. I don't care how many pets you gave them, I don't care if you "need" your request done by a specific date, and I don't care that you couldn't be bothered to read the entire rule section because the shop had just opened and you wanted to get a spot before it closed. Artists are people, and people appreciate good manners. Which brings me to my next point.

Artists are people, not machines. Now, some people spend five minutes on MS Paint scribbles, then wonder why no one will pay for their art. Others spend days on requests, and charge next to nothing, considering the time it takes. And still others feel forced to shut down their shops for good because their customers can't learn to keep their mouths shut and stop pestering. We all have real lives: you, me, everyone. When you think of bothering an artist, please try to take a walk in their shoes first. Would you want someone pestering you when you are honestly doing the best you can to get their work done? Art is a fickle thing. The talent seems to come and go. Sometimes, artists go through blocks and have a tough time getting their thoughts onto paper. Sometimes, requests seem to just draw themselves. But as a customer, the polite, decent, and respectful thing to do is to mind your own business and be patient.

Speak intelligently. Probably the biggest cause of customer outrage because of a wrongly-drawn design, chatspeak is also a pet peeve of many of our more literate members. It makes you sound stupid, immature, and irresponsible. If you think you're cool by omitting basic punctuation and capitalization and shortening words, you are most certainly not. Now, how does chatspeak cause a misinterpretation of a design? Well, if the artist can't understand what you're saying, then how do you expect them to do your request?

Wait your turn. Look through Bouquetblu's Jelly Baby thread. Seriously, just look. How many forms do you see that were submitted when her shop title read "Closed" or when the slots were already filled? Probably many more than were actually taken. It's just plain sad when a private art shop thread needs mini-moderators to keep things in check, but curiously enough, that was exactly what happened with Blu's. If you're not entirely new to CS you may also recall a certain WonderWolfess' art shop. Now, WonderWolfess is extremely talented, definitely one of the best canine artists I have ever seen on CS, and it was very charitable of her to create an art shop to begin with, considering that on her DeviantART account she charges real money for her art. Blu and Wolfie have very different styles, but there is one thing they have in common: very, very high demand. So high, in fact, that people can't seem to wait their turn. Blu frequents the Artist Rant thread, and I know she has her fair share of horror stories about how impatient and rude people can be. Wolfie no longer has an art shop because for her, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back came in the form of someone who had the nerve to post their form and even change her title so it said "Open" in their reply. That scenario is not just rude, it is incredibly demeaning to the artist. Did this person honestly think Wolfie was stupid enough not to notice a simple title change? Apparently this is the case, or the person wouldn't have tried it to begin with.

This next one was added by Wendigo, and I think she makes an excellent point, so this is going here, too:
Commission =/= Friendship: Never assume that the artist you are commissioning wants to be your friend simply because you pay them. Some artists would rather keep contact with you strictly professional and business related. They're not interested in you contacting them to chat about your day or you sending them a link to a Youtube video you found funny. Most artists really don't care to get to know you deeper other than what you're paying. It sounds cold, but a business relationship is much different than a friendly relationship.

And for the love of God, don't contact an artist and ask for their offsite personal contact information (e-mail, instant message, etc) so you can chat with them. You have absolutely no reason to require that information.

I hope at least a few of you took the time to read all this, because some people here really need to learn to be more decent toward artists. They are doing you a favor by investing their time into drawing for you and they deserve your full respect. Time and time again, I've seen amazingly talented people set foot into these forums armed with rules, examples, and all manner of art shop paraphernalia, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and ready to do their best for the community, only to be chased away by idiots who can't manage to follow rules and treat others kindly.

Now, I am not trying to persecute any particular individuals; the one case I did cite was to provide an example. I just hope that maybe someone, somewhere, will get something from this and treat artists a little more fairly in the future.

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Re: Dear Art Shop Customers...

Postby Liongirl Mew » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:46 am

I have something to add(Just quick points, details can be added to them):

-Not spamming up the art shop or arguing with other customers. It is NOT a thread for arguments and spam.
-Mini modding. You have no way of knowing what an artist is looking for or if the artist and costumer had a conversation over PM's about it. Let the artist decide what they are and aren't looking for.
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