[🐝] Guide to Trading Every Pet on CS --- **being updated**

A place to get help determining the value of a pet or item, and find resources such as trading and valuation guides

Change the NON/MA system to just MA? (ex: 2-2.5 Non will just be written as 20-25MA)

Yes, it'll make things less confusing
619
54%
No, leave things as they are now
243
21%
I'm fine with it either way
180
16%
I don't know / I just want to vote
112
10%
 
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby Palimpsest » Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:13 am

Lacuna wrote:
    To be clear, when I say I want people to understand I honestly am focusing on people who own these pets and can/want to trade them but either they’ve always held back due to confusion or they are new to having pets of these rarities because of the update. If these people can be welcomed in to a system that is easy to understand the number of pets in circulation/up for trade will increase and that benefits everyone. I’m looking for basically a tier list like (these numbers are just an example but they feel pretty good to me):

    Legacy OMGSRs/special store pets like skelebun (special values)
    High OMGSRs that were always OMGSR or went OMGSR a long time ago (2:1 with standard OMGSRs or standard OMGSR + new OMGSR)
    Standard OMGSRs that became OMGSR before this update (2:1 with new OMGSRs or new OMGSR + ER)
    New OMGSRs that turned this update (2 or 3:1 with extremely rares)
    Extremely Rares (2 or 3:1 with old very rares)
    Old* Very Rares (base unit)
    Old* Rares (trade 2:1 for very rares)
    *my view of old is about 2009-2012/2013

    And that tells people how to get between each of these groups without much hassle or math. I don’t remember who said this and I’m on mobile so it’s hard to check, but someone pointed out that we’ve changed three variables in the system (number of rarities, thresholds for each rarity, and active user window) which makes our old data a lot more useless. It’s time to reevaluate and do something new and let the users who have these pets now into the system. Someone else said on the announcement thread that admins likely evaluate the ceiling for how rare they want a pet to possibly get and rerelease accordingly, which I think makes total sense especially if you observe how rerelease litters with OMGSRs seem to have equal or even more of the rarest pets given out. So that’s why I gave old stores their own category because they can’t be controlled in this way.


Just adding to this to say that I would love to be able to trade the high value pets I have, like the UR Aussie I got last December and the new ERs I have, since I think other people would love them more than I do, and there's pets I'd love more too. When I first joined, even, in 2016, I was gifted an '10 (now) VR cat with the express intent of giving me trading fodder for pets I might want (they said they were giving it to me so I could trade it for pets I wanted! It was incredibly nice). I have never traded that cat. But I would really love to, and someone out there would probably like to have it.

So I guess I wanted to say that yeah, there are people out here who have high value pets they could be trading, which would add more pets into circulation, but aren't for various reasons. It was always too confusing for me, especially because I didn't understand how to trade up to high rarity pets in the first place. Once I hit "old rares" I kind of just stop understanding what's happening, and I really only trade for 2014 and newer pets mostly.

(Edit to add in I like the tier list idea... I'd love a way for the value of higher value pets to be more transparent, and the ways to trade between them to be easier to understand. I the system we have now has helped some people do that, and made it more difficult for others).

Edit 2: Is there any reason we can't have both systems (two different ways to explain the same agreed upon values and how to trade between them)? I don't fully understand the one we use now, so I don't know if that's possible.
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby lil rascal » Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:18 am

Agree completely with Lacuna and kee;. You said everything I’ve been trying to say but put in a much easier to understand way :)
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby angst » Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:16 am

Sashtato wrote:
Lacuna wrote:

    To be clear, when I say I want people to understand I honestly am focusing on people who own these pets and can/want to trade them but either they’ve always held back due to confusion or they are new to having pets of these rarities because of the update. If these people can be welcomed in to a system that is easy to understand the number of pets in circulation/up for trade will increase and that benefits everyone. I’m looking for basically a tier list like (these numbers are just an example but they feel pretty good to me):

    Legacy OMGSRs/special store pets like skelebun (special values)
    High OMGSRs that were always OMGSR or went OMGSR a long time ago (2:1 with standard OMGSRs or standard OMGSR + new OMGSR)
    Standard OMGSRs that became OMGSR before this update (2:1 with new OMGSRs or new OMGSR + ER)
    New OMGSRs that turned this update (2 or 3:1 with extremely rares)
    Extremely Rares (2 or 3:1 with old very rares)
    Old* Very Rares (base unit)
    Old* Rares (trade 2:1 for very rares)
    *my view of old is about 2009-2012/2013

    And that tells people how to get between each of these groups without much hassle or math. I don’t remember who said this and I’m on mobile so it’s hard to check, but someone pointed out that we’ve changed three variables in the system (number of rarities, thresholds for each rarity, and active user window) which makes our old data a lot more useless. It’s time to reevaluate and do something new and let the users who have these pets now into the system. Someone else said on the announcement thread that admins likely evaluate the ceiling for how rare they want a pet to possibly get and rerelease accordingly, which I think makes total sense especially if you observe how rerelease litters with OMGSRs seem to have equal or even more of the rarest pets given out. So that’s why I gave old stores their own category because they can’t be controlled in this way.


I am very much in support of this system! I’m still not totally seeing how WHEN an OMGSR got it’s rarity totally defines it’s value seeing that they ALSO changed the guidelines for what makes inactive accounts but this is certainly the simplest trading method I’ve seen so far!!


Oof. Yes super interested in this question!!! This stuff is so hard !! Really like perusing this thread though, y'all are great problem solvers.

I'd also love some way to take into account hoarders of OMGSR pets and/or posts on VR + trade threads (someone made a thread of how much a pet was asked for vs. How much that pet was offered on the trade thread) to get a feel for which pets are in *active* trading circulation (not just site circulation period.) Like, this may not be the thread or place for that, but any guide I think should incorporate some of the user data somehow, even if it's just a link to another thread.

I hope that makes sense !!
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby Horror » Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:49 am

Sharing some proposals to simplify the things on this thread ^^


    (Experimental mockup but I think it's good to toss out every idea possible, this would be scaled off making our standard OMGSR/Non tier 50 rares instead of 100 and trying to denormalize 'forced' overpay)

    Comes with two charts to help visualize things, so players that are confused by one will hopefully find the other helpful!


    Simplifying Update (Mockup)


    (For people that like to see all the numbers)
    Extremely Rares / VR / Old Rares format:
    (Stores) are special case-by-case

    High OMGSR (July Tier) = 10-16 Varying ER === 40-50 Very Rares === 80-100 Old Rares
    High OMGSR (New-gen URs) = 8-12 Varying ER === 30-35 Very Rares === 65-75 Old Rares
    Mid OMGSR (Non Tier) = 6-8 Varying ER === 25 Very Rares === 50 Old Rares
    Mid OMGSR (Legacy Tier) = 4-6 Varying ER === 15-20 Very Rares === 30-40 Old Rares
    Low/New OMGSR = 2-4 Varying ER === 8-12 Very Rares === 15-25 Old Rares
    Higher ER = 3-4 Very Rares === 6-8 Old Rares
    Lower ER = 2-3 Very Rares === 4-5 Old Rares
    Higher VR = 2 Old Rares + EUC
    Lower VR = (Any basic pet guidelines, like 2:1 or small year difference swaps)


    (For people that just want to see what to add to one pet)
    (Pet on this Tier) = pet from tier below + (x) format
    (Stores) are special case-by-case

    High OMGSR (July Tier) = pet from tier below + (Low OMGSR)
    High OMGSR (New-gen URs) = pet from tier below + (Low OMGSR)
    Mid OMGSR (Non Tier) = pet from tier below + (1-2 ER)
    Mid OMGSR (Legacy Tier) = pet from tier below + (1-2 ER)
    Low/New OMGSR = pet from tier below + (1-3 mixed ER)
    Higher ER = pet from tier below + (2-3 Old Rares)
    Lower ER = pet from tier below + (1-2 Old Rares)
    Higher VR = oldish pet from group below + (EUC)
    Lower VR = (Any basic pet guidelines, like 2:1 or small year difference swaps)



    With this;
    1 - Removes "MA" as a measurement which originated from the original Rares List in 2010 - with the new update even an MA isn't an MA. Instead, this would just measure pets in rares, very rares, or extremely rares!

    2 - "Non tier" scaled to 50 Old Rares instead of 100. Still easy to calculate, still a lot so it keeps the pets valuable, but also makes it more realistic. A tiger dog could be "5-6 nons", but players that aren't planning to trade at tiger dog+ level of expensive don't need to learn an extra made-up term at all


    If anyone has any ideas to further better this or simplify things please post! I threw this together last night along with now adding a section based on this post to try and get something out there. I slept on it but I still think we can improve!

    Not perfectly accurate in terms of pure rarity I'm sure but I think it's a step in the right direction compared to what we have right now :)


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    With this, the OMGSR list could also be altered a little bit to simplify things:
Prestige (Store) OMGSRs
special case-by-case (Skelebun, orange cerb, drink me etc)

High OMGSRs
July Tier - (OMGSR 2009-2013)
UR Rat = UR Grapes = UR Bwolf = Mint Tess Horse = Sunjewel = UR Cat = July PPS = UR Banana = Moonswirl = Dogtag = UR Tiger Dog = Unickorn/Nick Unicorn = Grevy's Zebra

New-gen URs (pre overhauls & default for OMGSR-on-release URs)
UR Phoenix = UR Holly Dog = UR Foal = UR Zonkey = UR Cinnabun = UR Peach = UR Pineapple = UR Peas = UR Bengal = UR Fox = UR Malk Dog = UR Galaxy Cat = UR Strawberry Shortcake = UR Longma/Kirin = UR Smore = UR Squid = UR Avocado = UR Flamingo = UR Pumpkin Pie = UR Pastel Dog = UR Orange Tree = UR PPS Dragon

Mid OMGSRs
Non Tier - (OMGSR 2019 overhaul)
UR Lion = Blue Malk Dragon PPS = Sunback = Coontail = Nontag = Nonswirl = Nonjewel = Noncoon = GWJ = Joker Bun = 'UR' Butterbun = UR Ice Cat = UR Pickle = UR Flower = Light Speckled Rat = Medium Speckled Rat = Heavy Speckled Rat = Flower/Toxic Rat = Lime Ice Rat = Light Pawprint Rat = Dark Pawprint Rat = Light Heart Rat = Dark Heart Rat

Legacy Tier - (OMGSR 2020-2023, but have been OMGSR before)
Mountain Zebra = Plains Zebra = RBM = UR Bee = UR Aussie = Pink Sorbet = Blue Rat = Skull Rat

Low/New OMGSRs
(OMGSR 2023 overhaul, for the first time)
massive tier with all our other omgsrs right now


(small edits based on feedback below!)
Last edited by Horror on Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:28 pm, edited 4 times in total.

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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby Aaron✦ » Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:24 pm

I understand that the point of consolidating large numbers of pets into huge tiers is to make things more simple and accessible for new traders, but I personally (and I imagine other high value traders) like having access to information about when pets went OMGSR in comparison to others, and I think if that data isn't available here then I just won't get much use out of it. I think the UR bee might be in the wrong place in this example given that it was a VR before this update, but I would never say it has the same value as, for example, a Sunback which has been OMGSR for a long time
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby marmoris » Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:32 pm

Aaron✦ wrote:I understand that the point of consolidating large numbers of pets into huge tiers is to make things more simple and accessible for new traders, but I personally (and I imagine other high value traders) like having access to information about when pets went OMGSR in comparison to others, and I think if that data isn't available here then I just won't get much use out of it. I think the UR bee might be in the wrong place in this example given that it was a VR before this update, but I would never say it has the same value as, for example, a Sunback which has been OMGSR for a long time


i entirely agree, having the ability to easily look at that info on if a pet was dropped or raised x amount of times before and after ALL rarity updates in the past would be ideal. doesnt need to be the case on every pet, but there are definitely pets which need this info alongside when they entered the old VR bracket & if they kicked up to ER or OMGSR during this update. i would find any guide for that matter, which can provide this, extremely helpful as a tool. this is the most logical thing to add from my own pov, but i understand actually obtaining 15.5 years of rarity data (well, realistically id say it could be less since im not sure when things entered the threshold to be VR/OMGSR to begin with, as i did not start in 2008.) could be quite difficult to ensure nothing got missed, because i genuinely dont remember if there is/was threads that kept everything together for so long, haha.
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby lil rascal » Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:57 pm

Thanks for working that mock-up up so quickly Horror. I think it’s sounding much more simplified and easier to navigate personally but looking forward to seeing what others think. Will be interesting to see if this is a structure the majority are in favour of.

My only question currently is with two high OMGSR tiers what are you envisioning as the difference between the July Tier and the UR Tier? Is it just that the Julys would be valued more as 2 standard OMGSRs and the URs as a standard + a new UR?

Also a suggestion if there’s going to be two high OMGSR tiers to maybe change the name from UR tier to something else as I think it would lead people to expect all URs to be on that tier.

As far as those wanting rarity change data, Lufi has done a great job of compiling it in the rarity change archive thread. With this new system changing not just the amount of rarities we have and how the pets are distributed in the groups but also the way the system counts pets on inactive accounts I’m not sure the old rarity changes are as useful as they were though. I think the big determining factor will be in upcoming rarity changes. Which pets drop rarity after the Dec18 rerelease and then which go back up again during the next year will give us a lot more data on which pets are on the cusp and which are solidly in their rarity. Until then we’re really back to guessing in my opinion.
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby plot » Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:06 pm

onion wrote:i totally agree with lacuna. ive been reading this thread for a couple pages and at first i was all on board but then it just got... confusing... especially with the poll. im honestly maybe just not good at rarity math, but i also think the small amount of people that have commented here is def not enough to make any solid decisions either. more feedback is needed for sure as 9 pages of discussion doesnt count or speak for all of cs who trades high value pets, even if its not realistic to get every single persons opinion!

I have attempted to read this and I genuinely cannot understand most of it. The math of having 1 MA = 10 rares, but having 1 non = 10-12 MAs, but also 60 old rares, doesn’t add up.

By very nature it would be in everyone’s best benefit to just trade in rares then. If 60 rares gets you a Non, but only 0.5 non value in MAs …

It just feels like users are battling inflation by inflating values on pets.

I do believe that it should be expanded to 2010 and 2011 rares, sure, but I don’t know about that math trading for higher value pets.
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby Aurora Storm » Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:46 pm

marmoris wrote:
Aaron✦ wrote:I understand that the point of consolidating large numbers of pets into huge tiers is to make things more simple and accessible for new traders, but I personally (and I imagine other high value traders) like having access to information about when pets went OMGSR in comparison to others, and I think if that data isn't available here then I just won't get much use out of it. I think the UR bee might be in the wrong place in this example given that it was a VR before this update, but I would never say it has the same value as, for example, a Sunback which has been OMGSR for a long time


i entirely agree, having the ability to easily look at that info on if a pet was dropped or raised x amount of times before and after ALL rarity updates in the past would be ideal. doesnt need to be the case on every pet, but there are definitely pets which need this info alongside when they entered the old VR bracket & if they kicked up to ER or OMGSR during this update. i would find any guide for that matter, which can provide this, extremely helpful as a tool. this is the most logical thing to add from my own pov, but i understand actually obtaining 15.5 years of rarity data (well, realistically id say it could be less since im not sure when things entered the threshold to be VR/OMGSR to begin with, as i did not start in 2008.) could be quite difficult to ensure nothing got missed, because i genuinely dont remember if there is/was threads that kept everything together for so long, haha.

    Just popping in here to say that information can be found on the Guide to CS Rarities, more specifically the rarity histories pages here. It's in the process of being updated with the new changes now.

    Regarding the other discussions, I like the idea of throwing out Non, MA, etc. terms altogether because they originate from a trading system so out of date they barely make sense anymore. If we want the trading economy to be more accessible for newer players, the terminology needs to fit. Using high and low labels for each rarity tag like Lacuna's post is the best way to go in my opinion. I'm not sure about keeping the 2:1 gap between each tier since that seems a bit extreme given how tight the rarity distinctions should be now, but maybe before we define these kinds of values we should just monitor how the trading community behaves for the next 6 months or so? That's better than basing a new system off of the opinions of a small group of people, which is where the original List went wrong in the first place.

    Formatting the lists to show where everything is one thing and Horror has done an awesome job getting that done so quickly, but I don't think there's any rush in finalising a new "rarity math" system.
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Re: [🐝] Guides to Trading Every Pet on CS

Postby skrapple » Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:57 am

Aurora Storm wrote:maybe before we define these kinds of values we should just monitor how the trading community behaves for the next 6 months or so? That's better than basing a new system off of the opinions of a small group of people, which is where the original List went wrong in the first place.

Formatting the lists to show where everything is one thing and Horror has done an awesome job getting that done so quickly, but I don't think there's any rush in finalising a new "rarity math" system.

I've been lurking for a while, but this is something I think I would really like to reply to. The entire reason I was lurking was because I felt like I didn't have enough trading experience to be participating in this conversation, but Aurora Storm has a good point here. Lots of other people are probably doing the same as me. There's (relatively speaking) not very many people actually participating in these threads compared to how many people there are actively trading on CS, even counting everyone that replies to the polls. I don't know how feasible the "wait and see" approach is, but I think it would be a good idea to consider it as a possibility, especially with the higher value pets.

Maybe, if that's not feasible, we could go back and make some revisions here and there in 6 months or so with hindsight in mind.. I feel like rushing to finalise things, especially with the possibility of an entirely new system, has the potential to make mistakes we don't yet have the hindsight to see flaws with.

Mostly, I'm just worried of a new system being totally set in stone right now, falling into the same traps of the old one and being so rigid that we're still using the same terms like 'non' and 'advent' that I saw all the way back in 2012 when I first joined. I think, whatever we do, we should allow the system to evolve and change as we gain insight into how people are actually trading compared to whatever our new system ends up like.

I'm not sure what the best way forward is, and many of these conversations go way over my head, so I don't know whether this is a realistic idea. But I just wanted to throw in my two cents because this resonated with me.

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