*DISCONTINUED* Rares List Guide (1 March 2019)

[- Alice -]

Sorry, this WILL be locked soon; we just need to get the first two posts fixed and move those novels elsewhere.

but its as easy as quoting and copying into a google doc....

you dont have to draw it out. Im sorry but it seems like people are beating around the bush.

Anyone who wants to discuss can go to your new post about it.

But then hyensa said we can't remake threads on it.. so it's kinda screwing the guys who do want to still use it as ya know we're still allowed to...

[Hyensa]

It's still available for use for anyone who wants to use it,
will just be locked and discontinued in terms of updating it.
Simon asked that we move this kind of discussion to the new thread so I think it's best that we head there and discuss this, the more we interfere with the front page being finalized the longer it's going to take to be locked.

Reminder:

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There are ways to get your points across without insulting others, arguing, and causing spam. Civil discussions and debates are of course okay but some of you are starting to cross a line here. We understand that this is a contentious topic and transition however please remember to follow our rules and be respectful towards everyone.

Think this is relevant again.

[cautiousculpeo]

Sorry, this WILL be locked soon; we just need to get the first two posts fixed and move those novels elsewhere.

but its as easy as quoting and copying into a google doc....

you dont have to draw it out. Im sorry but it seems like people are beating around the bush.

Anyone who wants to discuss can go to your new post about it.

But then hyensa said we can't remake threads on it.. so it's kinda screwing the guys who do want to still use it as ya know we're still allowed to...

There IS another thread made for this very topic.
You can use the list nobody said you cant.
Locking it doesnt mean it will be deleted it will just float around unused.

This is ‘The Rares List’ Disscusion Thread
’The Rares List’ is now discontinued. This is where you may ask questions.

[kee;]

@cautiousculpeo- It’s only still unlocked so myself and the other current owners can finish up discussing the info that needs to be left on the first few pages.
We’re trying to finish as quickly as we can, but I know my time as been a bit limited in the past few days since I’m on vacation at the moment.
We’ll get it done as soon as we can so the thread can be locked.

@nickjr- that write up you put up on the previous page looks good!
The only other thing I had was this, but it’s a bit long.


At the time of the list’s retirement, there were some pets in line to be discussed and possibly moved. Two omg so rare UR pets, the UR grapes and UR bengal, were next in like to be discussed. These two pets were placed low on the main list, and were planned to be moved up the list after the community decided to focus the list more on rarity. Since these pets are omg so rare, the community thought that they were placed too low and needed to be elevated.
The bumble bee spider was under consideration to be moved up the list. This pet sits on tier 1 of the advent list. However, it changed to very rare at the same time as other pets that are placed higher than it, so the community felt it wise to consider moving it up to better reflect its rarity.

A few pets were under consideration to be moved down the list. The hyena advent and Timberwolf, both originally released during Christmas 2008, were placed on tier 9 of the advent list, two tiers above the other advent dogs in their litter, who were on tier 7. At the time they were placed, these two dogs had more demand than the others, and were moved up. The community thought that over the years the demand had decreased, and discussions were planned to potentially move them down to sit with the rest of their litter-mates on tier 7.
The red rose dog and light leopard dog, left placed on the September list, were also potentials to be moved down. Based on when they turned very rare, in relation to other pets on the list, they were placed higher than they should have been.
The joker dog, placed below the gap on the main list, was in conversation to be moved down the list. It changed to very rare in (insert date I can’t remember), after other “list pets” that were placed lower. It was placed as high as it was because of its demand, and following the community decision for the list to focus more on rarity than demand, the argument was made for it to be moved down.

Some pets were also in line for discussions on whether or not to add them to the list. First up were the newer UR pets from 2017, the UR fox and UR peas. These pets are both omg so rare, and would have been placed somewhere above the gap on the main list. A poll would have been conducted to allow the community to give their input as to where they wanted to see these two pets placed. Throughout the years of the list, new UR pets were placed on the main list about 1 year following their release on December 2018 during the advent calendar.
The following list of pets were in line to be discussed to be added to the list based on the dates of their rarity updates (all are currently very rare). These pets went up in rarity at the same time as let’s that were on the list, so the argument was made that they were equally as rare, and therefore deserved a place on the list. They are as follows:
- ‪Cream 09 bunny ‬
- 11 St. Patrick's Day Green Tess Dragon
‪-Tan Light-Headed Rat‬
‪-Nick Sunback ‬
‪-Nick Blue Toxic ‬
-09 St Pats Dog
-Dark faced and Light Faced Growing October



-kee

[Animall]

Just wondering before we lock, were there any edits that we wanted to do to the gaps list before we locked the thread? I know this part of the list in specific caused a lot of backlash, so Im not sure if we should leave a blurp explaining why, as a history reference and also a lesson? Idk. Just want to touch all the bases.

I havent been a very active on this thread and I apologize!

Bumping before it gets lost

[kee;]

Just wondering before we lock, were there any edits that we wanted to do to the gaps list before we locked the thread? I know this part of the list in specific caused a lot of backlash, so Im not sure if we should leave a blurp explaining why, as a history reference and also a lesson? Idk. Just want to touch all the bases.

I havent been a very active on this thread and I apologize!

Bumping before it gets lost

I don’t think it’s been mentioned, but it doesn’t seem like a bad idea to put a little disclaimer on the top of it.

-kee

[Goostarion]

Just wondering before we lock, were there any edits that we wanted to do to the gaps list before we locked the thread? I know this part of the list in specific caused a lot of backlash, so Im not sure if we should leave a blurp explaining why, as a history reference and also a lesson? Idk. Just want to touch all the bases.

I havent been a very active on this thread and I apologize!

Bumping before it gets lost

I don’t think it’s been mentioned, but it doesn’t seem like a bad idea to put a little disclaimer on the top of it.

-kee

Posting since nothing has happened in 3 days on this thread.

I do apologise if this feels like I am rushing. It’s moreso focused on how the conversation just stopped.

All that’s needed here is this:
The gaps list origin and when it was created
What it’s positive use was
Why people didn’t like it in the end
Conclusion

So something like this. edit: I’ve bolded this part because I don’t believe I’ve clearly said this is just an example of the above. You don’t need to use this blurb, it’s a example one. I actually, off hand anyway; don’t know much of the gaps list and it’s origin, I’ve just always used it as law because that’s how it came across to me as.

The gaps list was a vital part of the lists design. It was created originally to give value to each tier as there was, at the time; difficulty to determine how pets worked in trades against each other. This was a positive addition at first, as it helped iron out a lot of problems the list faced, especially with designing the gaps between the tiers, and even helping out new users in the FTT. However this idea also had another problem. Unfortunately due to using exact pets as values, it created a orderly structure many users followed to the bone and can be seen still after the list was retired. It also made pet trading very unrealistic and added insane values into pets that lead them to be worth astronomical amounts. Many CS users who voted to retire this list during the great vote stated in hundreds of posts from pages 450-600 that this was one of many concerns that made the list unable to be reconstructed.

I am pushing it along due to there being so much discussion on other threads happening, but none here.

[kee;]

I know it’s frustrating, it’s been awhile with nothing going on.
As far as I know, we’re waiting for Thovatos. They have to edit the first few posts to move the long blocks of text from the second post to the second page. Others of us have been discussing, but we can’t do anything with those posts.

-kee

[Takk]

Did we already agree on a new blurb for the red text? Since they aren’t being moved it wasn’t brought up to change the wording but I never followed up on it

[kee;]

Did we already agree on a new blurb for the red text? Since they aren’t being moved it wasn’t brought up to change the wording but I never followed up on it

I think it would be fine to change it like this:


Please note!!! Any OMG So Rare Pet that is below 'the big gap' was going to be moved up on the list! With the retiring of the list, updates were stopped and these pets weren’t moved. I’ve made them red to find them easier. These pets should not be traded for their list value!




-kee