A Community Pet Guide - Coontail Placed!

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Where should the Coontail be placed on the OMGSR list?

Poll ended at Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:12 am

Tier 10
2
6%
Tier 9
0
No votes
Tier 8
0
No votes
Tier 7
9
26%
Tier 6
16
46%
Tier 5
0
No votes
Tier 4
1
3%
Tier 3
1
3%
Tier 2
1
3%
Tier 1
5
14%
 
Total votes : 35

Re: A Community Pet Guide - Dogtag Placed!

Postby KinardTheSock » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:27 pm

Zetirian wrote:I think there should be a limit though as to how little community influence there is available for any public ally posted guide.

Seasonal’s logic is very flawed based on not only was there any or enough people who wanted to help with the list but could only get to a point of “agreeing with what was said by the elite.” You can see this in the old thread. But also couldn’t really suggest more since it was always shut down. However the main reason it’s flawed is that... this ain’t 2010 anymore. Things have changed and we’re head deep into cancel culture.

It’s 2019. The rares list is dead. The rares list lives in locked solitude as a historical landmark now to show future users what not to do, otherwise you will see how badly the community can turn on you. You don’t see the users who were mainly pro list active in helping cs users anymore because of the backlash. Many left due to the pressure.

This will happen again if the same history is repeated.

I think no decision of any pet placement should be made until a option hits 100 votes (aka you need 85 more votes in the winning vote to be able to move on). In any guide. Users should be able to make many guides if they so desire, but the community should also decide whether they decide to support a guide going forward or not. There is no reason that a guide someone makes should be there to be used if there is no one / minimal people supporting it. This is where I believe a line should be for this guide mess we are in. If there is minimal votes accumulated, then these guides are not wanted by the community.

To me, if you publish a guide publicly and not for self use, it should then be allowed maximum participation by the community. No ifs or buts. So that means that there needs to be a chance for a guide to hit 100 participation votes in an option (note: not total) before moving on.

I'm not saying that 34 people or whatever the number is the ideal number of votes, but if you but a quota on the number of votes necessary, it will be very difficult for any guide to ever gain a following. As people were saying, nobody is requiring you to use this list. It is obvious to anybody who sees this list that it is currently rather small. It is up to their discretion if they want to use it based on what they see. Obviously at this point, this guide is not particularly useful to anyone. Limiting it in it's early stages will not be beneficial. Eventually, this guide will either gain support or not. Either way, it is only impacting those who choose to let it impact them. Especially at this point, there is no precedent for the value of each pet. Whatever tier it goes on is about the same right now because there is no baseline. The values at this point are just a basic idea so if the guide gains popularity, there will be a few pets to go off of.
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Dogtag Placed!

Postby Erwin Smith » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:42 pm

KinardTheSock wrote:
Zetirian wrote:I think there should be a limit though as to how little community influence there is available for any public ally posted guide.

Seasonal’s logic is very flawed based on not only was there any or enough people who wanted to help with the list but could only get to a point of “agreeing with what was said by the elite.” You can see this in the old thread. But also couldn’t really suggest more since it was always shut down. However the main reason it’s flawed is that... this ain’t 2010 anymore. Things have changed and we’re head deep into cancel culture.

It’s 2019. The rares list is dead. The rares list lives in locked solitude as a historical landmark now to show future users what not to do, otherwise you will see how badly the community can turn on you. You don’t see the users who were mainly pro list active in helping cs users anymore because of the backlash. Many left due to the pressure.

This will happen again if the same history is repeated.

I think no decision of any pet placement should be made until a option hits 100 votes (aka you need 85 more votes in the winning vote to be able to move on). In any guide. Users should be able to make many guides if they so desire, but the community should also decide whether they decide to support a guide going forward or not. There is no reason that a guide someone makes should be there to be used if there is no one / minimal people supporting it. This is where I believe a line should be for this guide mess we are in. If there is minimal votes accumulated, then these guides are not wanted by the community.

To me, if you publish a guide publicly and not for self use, it should then be allowed maximum participation by the community. No ifs or buts. So that means that there needs to be a chance for a guide to hit 100 participation votes in an option (note: not total) before moving on.

I'm not saying that 34 people or whatever the number is the ideal number of votes, but if you but a quota on the number of votes necessary, it will be very difficult for any guide to ever gain a following. As people were saying, nobody is requiring you to use this list. It is obvious to anybody who sees this list that it is currently rather small. It is up to their discretion if they want to use it based on what they see. Obviously at this point, this guide is not particularly useful to anyone. Limiting it in it's early stages will not be beneficial. Eventually, this guide will either gain support or not. Either way, it is only impacting those who choose to let it impact them. Especially at this point, there is no precedent for the value of each pet. Whatever tier it goes on is about the same right now because there is no baseline. The values at this point are just a basic idea so if the guide gains popularity, there will be a few pets to go off of.

That’s the point. You’ve just explained what I meant here. I thank you for that.

The most interesting take is that there is not a limit to this guide only. It’s to all guides. Equally. Right now, especially in FTT, auctions etc etc, there are tons of trades which are overly uninformed or auctions aren’t receiving bids because people are locking things away.

It should be up to the community to say hey we don’t believe this guide is beneficial / broken / etc, especially when the list is published for the community to use. If it is published, there should be some sort of restriction based of whether people get votes or not for the list. There is no way justifying that a dog tag should be placed at tier 7 because 15 people said so. That’s not community.

There are guides getting hundreds of votes per option already. When the rares list was retired, there was 1800 votes over a fortnight. Getting 100 votes shouldn’t be that hard when the request is 1/18th of this amount.

It’s possible. The owners must advertise their guide and see how it will take when it comes to the community.

I agree where there is no precedent on what pet equals what pet other than the rarity tag. It should however also be acknowledged that in no way I actually hit at this current guide here. If anything, you could cut out the seasonal paragraph and remove the (85 more votes) point and I would happily have posted this in any other guide thread illustrating the same point. Equally. I’ve just posted here since it currently fitted the narriative.
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Dogtag Placed!

Postby xChry. » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:15 pm

EmberzTale wrote:
xChry. wrote:So... is this just a remake of the rares list? Wasn’t part of the debate to not remake it that it was too outdated and would take too long to revise? What’s the difference here?
Also, isn’t the combined demand and rarity thing one of the biggest flaws about the old list as well? It would be a little different if it was demand based or rarity based alone. Again I’m really seeing no difference other than format?


This is not a remake of The Rares List Guide. These pets are placed in a different manner than The Rares List pets ever were. This list is based on opinions of users rather than rarity, demand, etc. These pets are placed wherever the majority feels the placement should be. This keeps things a lot less restricted than The Rares List Guide as here there is no range to pick from, rather you can voice your opinion no matter what it is and have it heard.

Opinions of users is demand, just another way to say it. One users opinion that x pet is worth more than their rarity therefor should be placed higher is demand. If there is no range, you're encouraging outrageous prices of pets that are only worth so much. Example: The Shima Longtail is going for what, a september I hear? Whats this "No range to pick from" to keep from placing the SL, a rare, at a september tier? Because of users "opinions"?

Emberztale wrote:Placement is decided by whoever wants to join in and help place the pet whether that be by trade evidence, demand, rarity changes; anything that makes you want to place the pet where you voted. Pets will always be placed with the majority vote.


This contradicts what you've said above, that it is based on opinions rather than rarity, demand, etc. This is already a conflict.
If I'm wrong, correct me but placing pets by trade evidence, again, only encourages outrageous prices of certain pets, another example; the Skelebun. People are paying outrageous prices just to own one. If you use trade evidence to support where you think the skelebun should be placed- it'll be placed way higher on the list than it really should be. Thus, creating the exact problem the original rares list had.

I should have taken my time out to explain my POV much clearer, but thats what I'm seeing at the moment and those are my main concerns.
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You made my other point about the voting thing, explained it much more clearly than I had!
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Dogtag Placed!

Postby EmberzTale » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:28 am

Now that things have died down a bit, I think we'll begin placing our second pet on the OMGSR list! This time we'll be placing the Moonswirl!

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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Vote on Moonswirl Poll!

Postby Seasonal » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:35 am

I feel that the Moonswirl should be placed on tier 7 with the Dogtag because there is a very high probability that they are worth the same amount. They are both “fancy” versions of their non counterparts therefore I can’t see why their adoption probabilities would be different at the time of release. They have always been the same rarity aside for one of them being OMGSR for a month longer. ^^
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Vote on Moonswirl Poll!

Postby EmberzTale » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:35 am

There's a few days left in the poll!

Thanks to Seasonal for sharing their opinion! It's always great to see why certain tiers are being supported.
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Vote on Moonswirl Poll!

Postby EmberzTale » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:00 pm

Thanks everyone for voting on the poll! The Mooswirl has been placed on tier 7 as that is what the majority voted for! I'll allow this to settle in for a bit before placing the next pet.
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Moonswirl Placed!

Postby EmberzTale » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:14 am

We're going to go ahead and begin placing the next pet. This time we'll be placing the Coontail!

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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Vote on Coontail Poll!

Postby EmberzTale » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:22 am

There's a few more days left to vote in the poll! Be sure to get your votes in!
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Re: A Community Pet Guide - Vote on Coontail Poll!

Postby EmberzTale » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:54 am

Thanks for all the votes! The Coontail has now been placed on Tier 6. We will begin placing the next pet soon!
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