"The" Rares List Guide - Do not ask about new UR's!

[RavenclawHobbit]

Well I'm sorry but I already did and I still can't find either... Maybe if you could actually be nice and a little more helpful, you'd realise that.

I'm afraid it's directly on the front page:

[list][*]If you want to know where the new URs will be placed, use the search function. They won't be put on the list until demand dies down and we can assess their value.

Please don't be so offended, Kevinsarus was not being rude. Those who frequent this thread get weary of answering the same questions over and over, that's all.

[cαkε]

answered c:
thanks derbs<3

[DerbyGirl]

I'm a bit confused about C$ values... (not sure if it's suitable to ask here or not. >.<)
how is it a 09' early rare is worth around let's say (on average) 35c$ and a mid advent is worth (again, on average) 70-80c$? So if I had two early 09' rares I could trade them for c$70 and then get myself an advent. But that doesn't add up to their pet value? how/why is this?

If you go back like 2 pages, this was just discussed.

[DaDwarf]

I’ve been away for a couple of days and trying to recap the whole thing discussed.

From what i gathered, the UR tiger should be moved up, the BA and the Joker shouldn't be. Availability and all that, there’s what..10 more joker and 20 more ba auctions for each tiger auction? It’s extremely rare and while i’m not a fan of having it above the sunjewel, it already goes for the sunjewel+ anyways, and putting it above there might actually make people realize that they will not be able to get a tiger with just a sunjewel. Since that’s what some people wanting a tiger are expecting at the moment.

For as far as i saw, the zebra’s won’t be moved until we can see what the line-art change does to them. That may be together with the new Ur’s, but also may be much later.

The raven dog. I feel like the raven dog needs to join up with the lolita. People always overpay for it, and i’ve always gotten around mid-septembers for them. It’s also quite hard to come by, there isn’t much supply for them. I hardly see them in trade groups?

What we need to not forget is that fair trades do still happen. Eventho everybody seems to overpay for a pet, there are still other people who won’t make you pay an arm and a leg for it. This counts for all the in demand pets (but the tiger <.<) Raven/BA/Joker/Sunback/you name it. Fair trades do still happen.

I do not support the point system at all. It makes rarities even more complicated then they already are. It’s 100% possible to learn rarities if you are limited to only a few hours of time, you just have to want it. And if you don’t want to, then there is always people around you can ask. Inventing a point system will only make the people who don’t follow the rareslist hate it more, and the people who do follow it will probably only get more confused with gaps. At least i know i will get super confused if i have to learn a point system >.> after 3 years of learning everything the way it is now.

The point system only comes off as rarity math to me, and that’s something we should want to avoid.

On page 497, Kyar mentions shotcuts. I can look into this, as it’s basically what i use to explain to people what is and isn’t a fair trade all the time.

If there is anything i missed, please do tell, im afraid i didn’t read everything as it was like 12+ pages. I sorta skipped through.

[nickjr]

But then if rarity math is bad then why do we have shortcuts? Those also use rarity math o.O

On phone; sorry for not typing more

[DaDwarf]

But then if rarity math is bad then why do we have shortcuts? Those also use rarity math o.O

On phone; sorry for not typing more

Short cuts is not the same as rarity math?
They are simple values that can help with understanding the gaps, such as the most commonly known one; 3x sorbet = a non, Or, 3 times blue rose = blue balloon. There's a few more of those sort of short cuts that are easy to jot down and don't require a whole point system for the list. I think adding points will just make everything cluttered and make the list more unpleasant to use.


Just adding that i do like the gap's list, just not the point system ouo b.

[nickjr]

But then if rarity math is bad then why do we have shortcuts? Those also use rarity math o.O

On phone; sorry for not typing more

Short cuts is not the same as rarity math?
They are simple values that can help with understanding the gaps, such as the most commonly known one; 3x sorbet = a non, Or, 3 times blue rose = blue balloon. There's a few more of those sort of short cuts that are easy to jot down and don't require a whole point system for the list. I think adding points will just make everything cluttered and make the list more unpleasant to use.


Just adding that i do like the gap's list, just not the point system ouo b.

//confused

That looks exactly like rarity math to me. (Math, the math! Multiplication! o_o;;;; ) Are we using the same definition? xD; I saw people (experienced traders like yourself) all the time in the FTT and "How much is this pet worth thread" using math to figure out pet values.
Like here
Also here (although the "final solution" for the math isn't given, the formulas are)
And here (referring to the Border Collie vs Snowflake Lion question; math is used even though it's not shown, because at that time [not sure about now], the border collie was worth 7 09 rares while the snow flake lion tier was worth 4 09 rares.)

But what's really strange is here:
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(referring to my question in this post)

You're referring to my question as rarity math, and it looks no different from the examples I linked, nor does it look much different from the shortcuts...?

(I said "saw" using the past tense since I no longer frequent those threads as much as I used to)

(I'm really sorry for using you for almost all of my examples ;A; I swear I'm not trying to target you or have negative intentions or anything! I remembered your posts most easily since most of my research on pet values turned up your posts.)

[Celozon]

I do not support the point system at all. It makes rarities even more complicated then they already are. It’s 100% possible to learn rarities if you are limited to only a few hours of time, you just have to want it. And if you don’t want to, then there is always people around you can ask. Inventing a point system will only make the people who don’t follow the rareslist hate it more, and the people who do follow it will probably only get more confused with gaps. At least i know i will get super confused if i have to learn a point system >.> after 3 years of learning everything the way it is now.

The point system only comes off as rarity math to me, and that’s something we should want to avoid.

I do see how making a point system would make things confusing for some people, but its not like it would be the sole way to use the rares list, and it would also make things much much easier for those users who are math-oriented and have a hard time understanding the rares list as it is now. I'm not math oriented at all, but I can still see this being really helpful for myself, I can only imagine it would be even more helpful for users who haven't been able to grasp the idea of the rares list yet.

Honestly, there are always gonna be haters, but I've been seeing people reach out for something like this for a long time. /: If we are going to create more haters by making a point system, we will make just as many if not more haters by not making a point system.

Though something that I personally am confused about, from what I've been reading there are apparently *exact* values for rares list pets. Like down to the very common or something. From what I was aware, in a very simple sense, the rares list was created by what people traded for which pets, and just put into order from more valuable to least. In which case, if pets values are gathered from trades, there would be no exact value for pets. I feel like we are making this point system more complicated than it needs to be, can the points not just be basic values for the pets? Just like we use shortcuts; 3 sorberts = non, even though 3 sorberts might not equal *exactly* a non, its still a widely used value and is fair.

For me, I look at the gap list Komi posted, and I see something that is easliy transferred into a point system, the gaps are already there, all that is needed is to decided on how much points equal and getting it down to number values. If there ae indeed *exact* values, then the gap list does not show them, and just shows approximate, though very close, values. So why can't a point system do this?

I'm sorry if I seem pushy I'm just not really understanding why exactly a point system would be bad? XP

[Lake Petal]

Ok, I am getting a little fed up with always being yelled at on other threads and have a question. According to some people, it takes 5 '09 RARES to get on the list, but a VR is not even counted as one even though it is VR. Using this logic, shouldn't 1 VR be worth more then a rare? Or are they both worth the same and I am wasting my time trying to trade several rares for a VR? Therefore, shouldn't 2 VR be fair for one lowest tier?

I hope someone gets what I am saying here

[Solloby]

Ok, I am getting a little fed up with always being yelled at on other threads and have a question. According to some people, it takes 5 '09 RARES to get on the list, but a VR is not even counted as one even though it is VR. Using this logic, shouldn't 1 VR be worth more then a rare? Or are they both worth the same and I am wasting my time trying to trade several rares for a VR? Therefore, shouldn't 2 VR be fair for one lowest tier?

I hope someone gets what I am saying here

Your question is a touch confusing, and it heavily depends on which VRs you are talking about, but yes some VRs are worth about half an 08 advent. Some are probably worth more than half an advent, so the VR plus an 09 rare or so should get you a low tier advent, or two the VRs would get you a middle tier advent. But it really depends on which individual pets are involved in the trade. Some VRs like the new store pets aren't worth anywhere near an advent.

I think it might become clearer when the advent list is extended to include the 08 VRs, assuming that project is still going ahead. With the rares list gaps being developed and the items guide needing reconstructing I just plain forgot about the rares list add-on project ^^;