"The" Rares List Guide - Do not ask about new UR's!

[ShadowHunteress]

About the point system mentioned, couldn't it go something along the lines of how the C$ value is? Like if you added up C$ value of the pets, so like, a line tribal is 550 points, so 11 advents in the 50 line would equal a line would equal a line tribal? And you could just use different pets and add them up to that total?

Pet rarity trades and C$ trades are completely different. They can't be compared to each other. You probably notice that just based on C$ conversions alone, sunjewels can go for a miniscule amount of list pets whereas the scenario is quite different when it comes to the rares list. C$ come from real money, so that has to be factored in heavily into the determination of that list. It's completely different from the rares list, which is based on rarity of pets mostly, which varies greatly from pet to pet. Not to mention that doing something as drastic as making a line tribal worth only 11 advents throws the entire CS economy off balance at this point given that a large number of people are accustomed to the rares list and have a general sense of what things are worth. It'd cause chaos, and as such, the rares list can't be changed to match C$ as well.

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No, no, I was using that as an example, though it was bad, I mean for a point system kind of thing so it would be easier to navigate the list.

[Kyar]

About the point system mentioned, couldn't it go something along the lines of how the C$ value is? Like if you added up C$ value of the pets, so like, a line tribal is 550 points, so 11 advents in the 50 line would equal a line would equal a line tribal? And you could just use different pets and add them up to that total?

Pet rarity trades and C$ trades are completely different. They can't be compared to each other. You probably notice that just based on C$ conversions alone, sunjewels can go for a miniscule amount of list pets whereas the scenario is quite different when it comes to the rares list. C$ come from real money, so that has to be factored in heavily into the determination of that list. It's completely different from the rares list, which is based on rarity of pets mostly, which varies greatly from pet to pet. Not to mention that doing something as drastic as making a line tribal worth only 11 advents throws the entire CS economy off balance at this point given that a large number of people are accustomed to the rares list and have a general sense of what things are worth. It'd cause chaos, and as such, the rares list can't be changed to match C$ as well.

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No, no, I was using that as an example, though it was bad, I mean for a point system kind of thing so it would be easier to navigate the list.

I get what she's saying. It's kinda how neopets users who are familiar with neocash use "caps" as a value (I.e. item A is worth 4 caps and item B is worth 5 so you need to add something worth 1 cap). Let's say we made mid advents 1 point. A red rose would then be 5 points, a red-x PPS would be 10, a blue balloon 20, etc.
I'm sure it would be helpful but I also feel like there could be problems if certain gaps didn't work out in increments of those specific values. I'm not sure how I feel about the idea.

[Kevinsaurus]

About the point system mentioned, couldn't it go something along the lines of how the C$ value is? Like if you added up C$ value of the pets, so like, a line tribal is 550 points, so 11 advents in the 50 line would equal a line would equal a line tribal? And you could just use different pets and add them up to that total?

Pet rarity trades and C$ trades are completely different. They can't be compared to each other. You probably notice that just based on C$ conversions alone, sunjewels can go for a miniscule amount of list pets whereas the scenario is quite different when it comes to the rares list. C$ come from real money, so that has to be factored in heavily into the determination of that list. It's completely different from the rares list, which is based on rarity of pets mostly, which varies greatly from pet to pet. Not to mention that doing something as drastic as making a line tribal worth only 11 advents throws the entire CS economy off balance at this point given that a large number of people are accustomed to the rares list and have a general sense of what things are worth. It'd cause chaos, and as such, the rares list can't be changed to match C$ as well.

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No, no, I was using that as an example, though it was bad, I mean for a point system kind of thing so it would be easier to navigate the list.

Oh I get what you mean now. Don't really think this is necessary for three reasons though:
1) It's excess and kind of unnecessary. If people actually take the time and put in the effort to learn rarities to a certain extent, the basics are good enough to generally understand how much the different septembers are worth in terms of mid advents, and the same with the main list pets. Plus, there's a possibility of adding a list of certain "shortcuts" that I've mentioned before.
2) Some of the values of pets are strange and obscure. If you know an in-depth breakdown of the rares list (to whoever reads this) you'll know what I mean. If you were to pinpoint every pet with a given value of points, you'd literally have some really weird numbers (with strange decimals, and if you don't know your rarities, that is absolutely no help) or some extremely odd numbers that don't add up well with other things as well as extremely large numbers as you ascend the list.
3) What Kyar said. Some gaps between two non-consecutive pets simply don't work out to any sort of nice single value in terms of a pet in a way that would make such a point system universal.

Basically, if you can just learn the current list and gaps and values of pets, you'll know enough that such a point system isn't really necessary.

[nickjr]

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I get what she's saying. It's kinda how neopets users who are familiar with neocash use "caps" as a value (I.e. item A is worth 4 caps and item B is worth 5 so you need to add something worth 1 cap). Let's say we made mid advents 1 point. A red rose would then be 5 points, a red-x PPS would be 10, a blue balloon 20, etc.
I'm sure it would be helpful but I also feel like there could be problems if certain gaps didn't work out in increments of those specific values. I'm not sure how I feel about the idea.

What if pet values are marked in a way so that they are a little more fluid? like how instead of the tess/lexi cake dogs are currently "THEY'RE 6 MID ADVENTS AND THAT'S THAT", they might be worth "5-7" mid advents, so they would get 5-7 points? (kind of a bad example since at this point, a mid advent can mean the difference between a cake dog and a red rose) I mean, I already saw values a couple months ago like "the UR apple is worth 16-20 mid advents", so that's already pretty fluid; we just need to look at the higher pets and figure out which gaps are exact and which ones are estimates and then do maths, right?

... I have no clue if I got my point across correctly DD: edit: basically, instead of saying "this pet's points are 293.834237493", you could say "this pet's points are 290-295" or something?

aaaahh I was ninja'd. Oh well, figured I might as well still post xD

[toady]

Why is the grown scarf dog on the list and the lilac Dutch bunny from Easter 09 is not

[Fuzzeh]

Why is the grown scarf dog on the list and the lilac Dutch bunny from Easter 09 is not

The Lilac Bun is on the list. Same tier as the Scarf dog.

[toady]

Why is the grown scarf dog on the list and the lilac Dutch bunny from Easter 09 is not

The Lilac Bun is on the list. Same tier as the Scarf dog.

The Dutch pattern


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[Pine.]

I noticed that it wasn't on there either when I was trying to put all my list pets in one group, just the grey and the black ones are on there. It probably isn't as rare as the other two, but don't take my word for it, I've not much knowledge of the rare's list.

[toady]

But it's a very rare too from the same year

[Solloby]

Please search the thread before posting, a lot of questions about the Rares List have already been answered in the past so it's a lot easier to just read those responses and ask questions specific to them if it is still unclear or you wish to discuss it further: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=112366&p=41737430&hilit=lilac+dutch#p41737430