Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

[Aurora Storm]

I'm wondering what people think about the term fairness. Fairness cant only be dictated by rarity,. That's a silly concept since the more "demanded" a pet, the more likely they are going to be in forever homes so the less supply there is in the market. Therefore even if two pets have the same rarity the actual supply in the market is different. How do you determine what's fair in that case? How would you know if a UR tiger and an orange cerb is a fair swap or not?

I think that's the brick wall we're hitting in the trading economy right now. We can find out how rare a pet is, but demand and availability can warp the actual "worth" of a pet considerably. And how much someone values each of those factors differs from person to person as well, so it's not really something that can have a formula stuck to it to know what's fair.

[Birdy]

Same way we always have. Scour the trade and auction boards and see what people actually trade for them. Or use comparisons. Meaning if a Ur tiger goes for one pet and that one pet also goes for the cerb, then the UR tiger must also go for a cerb.

It would be nice if we had more than 7 rarity tags at this point. Tipping well over 10k pets. I wonder when we ever will get new rarity tags. 20k? 50? At what point do the rarity tags stop meaning anything because the gap is too big?

I've also wondered about the rarity tags. It would be nice to have a few more available like "extremely rare" or "extremely uncommon", etc.

[LLHBBB]

there's even a current offer on the skelebun with two ur tigers, so getting the bun for one would actually be a pretty good deal in my opinion, considering the tigers demand isn't as high as it used to be

it was only a matter of time anyways until some of the older store pets surpass the tiger in value.

Also wasn't the UR Tiger at the top only because of it's looks & demand and not necessary because it was/is the rarest pet?

[MissAviator]

I do, however agree, that it is getting more difficult to trade.
I, myself, is very temped to overtrade for a 2013 rare Slumber Party dog because it has a cool tail.
While , it may be semi-killing CS, it defines CS.

DEMAND:
On the other hand, it makes sense.
Demand is always part of real-word business.
Haven't you guys see those trends?
From slime, bottle flipping, fidget spinners, other products never stood a chance.
Did any child want a carrot peeler during this craze? No.
While, it may be because of the function of the object, it's about looks.

ABOUT APPLE VS JOKER:
People don't want a rotting apple.
Because the idea is not original.
And it's not "pretty", it's imperfect.
We already have so many fruits and vegetables in the game, why make another one?
(No disrespect to the staff, I love your ideas!)
The Joker dog has a much cooler design.
It's something original and I really like it.

RATS
There are some rat hoarders out there, I have a rat hoard of my own.
Let's be honest.
I don't think rats are "pretty".
The design can be pretty but their body and face is not aesthetically pleasing.
Which is part of the concept and why I have a hoard.
This just people's opinions.

Raven Dog
It's looks badass, pretty and elegant.
Of course, people are willing to overpay.

-- DON'T FEED DEMAND --
"Nick Blue Tox is worth more than Joker"
Nick pets don't have the best demand, pretty understandable.
And again, the joker design is decent.

Demand is part of rarity and we have to embrace it.
And also change it, so we do not feed demand as much.


TO SUMMARISE:
Instead of dismissing it, we should embrace it.
We should make a new list together something we can all agree.
Use it to your advantage because it's part of the real world.

If you do disagree with my opinion, that's okay. : )
Just please do respect my opinion.

[Bridgy1234]

I joined summer of 2014, I really haven’t gotten into the hard core trading or trying to understand the demand of older pets until ending quarter of last year. It’s very annoying. Here lately I see a lot of trade posts about having a list or some high demand pet that they just want gone. And it is still impossible to trade for it seems. I’ve always gone by date and rarity, now I’m starting to put in species because even though a rat might be a very rare it gets treated like a common or uncommon?? I also feel that the reasoning for demand is really off to, using auctions as examples to back up why the pet is worth so much. It’s an auction if someone really wants that pet they will bid so they get it. Irl at benefit auctions and that, I’ve seen pies go for over five hundred dollars. That doesn’t mean stores and back sales should rack up prices because this rich guy spent five hundred dollars on a half backed apple pie.

[amarok.]

I joined summer of 2014, I really haven’t gotten into the hard core trading or trying to understand the demand of older pets until ending quarter of last year. It’s very annoying. Here lately I see a lot of trade posts about having a list or some high demand pet that they just want gone. And it is still impossible to trade for it seems. I’ve always gone by date and rarity, now I’m starting to put in species because even though a rat might be a very rare it gets treated like a common or uncommon?? I also feel that the reasoning for demand is really off to, using auctions as examples to back up why the pet is worth so much. It’s an auction if someone really wants that pet they will bid so they get it. Irl at benefit auctions and that, I’ve seen pies go for over five hundred dollars. That doesn’t mean stores and back sales should rack up prices because this rich guy spent five hundred dollars on a half backed apple pie.

Somebody above was commenting on how bids should never be used as evidence unless they were successful but honestly I agree. They should never be used.
Also I think it'd important to specify where you got your source from (I.e auction bid, whether they were aware they were overpaying, etc)

[Shian]

Yes, that's how it should be. Auctions should not be used as what a pet typically goes for.

However, auctions are largely the only place where you can actually see "this pet was traded for this pet". You can also see other offers. It's often the only source of trade evidence at all which is how we end up with these over inflated prices.

[amarok.]

Yes, that's how it should be. Auctions should not be used as what a pet typically goes for.

However, auctions are largely the only place where you can actually see "this pet was traded for this pet". You can also see other offers. It's often the only source of trade evidence at all which is how we end up with these over inflated prices.

urgh, tell me about it.
it might actually be worth getting a poll in about that and, if there's some consensus on that, asking the mods to write it in as a new rule on the ftt when linking trades because honestly i'm certain a lot of the trades people link whenever a scrap breaks out over pet values are actually just from auctions or semi-offsite trades, but it's hard to find them in the forums to prove it. espeically with a lot of auction thread front pages being cleared and reused as soon as the auction is over. i'm not sure how easy it would be to enforce, of course, but something simple like "if linking a trade as evidence, please state where the trade originated from" i.e private trade, auction, semi-offsite site, etc even if we can't get auction bids completely banned completely from being used as trade evidence.

similarly it's hard to tell when a trade was actually completed. it might well just be something from years ago and therefore irrelelvant but again there's little way of proving it. it may be worth asking if the site can actually put a date on shared trades, since that might help root some of this stuff out. for referencing historical values, sure, fine, but there's literally no reason to list a really old trade to answer one at the moment and use it to argue a point on current values tbh.

[FOUND VERDICT]

a bit off-topic, but i always find it amusing how those "low demand" lists like the zebra usually have the most amount of bids in an auction ^^"

i mean sure, a lot of people are trying to lowball and get it for underpay, but they can't be this unwanted if there's apparently so much demand for them

[amarok.]

a bit off-topic, but i always find it amusing how those "low demand" lists like the zebra usually have the most amount of bids in an auction ^^"

i mean sure, a lot of people are trying to lowball and get it for underpay, but they can't be this unwanted if there's apparently so much demand for them

This is the point I've been making for months now. They're not the most popular lineart but they're very valuable and people are attracted to pets they think are valuable. Hence the skelebun madness. But no, people insist they're as hard to trade as ever. 🤷 It's obvious they're getting more popular but some people just don't like to admit it.
In some ways they're certainly a much better way to spend your nons than an Ur tiger. They're clearly going to be trading for more than they're currently trading for in the future and some people are trying to play the long game.

Either way, I'm glad they're at least more appreciated now than they have been in the last year.