"The" Rares List Guide - Do not ask about new UR's!

[Solloby]

^ I disagree, I'd say Apple is the lowest demand pet on the main Rares List. I always see people advising against trades for it in the Fair Trade threads due to its unpopularity, and I never saw it as a popular pet.

UR Mint also has poor demand, but I think its high price (due to rarity) is partly to blame for that. I think people like it, but not enough to pay so heavily for it. Apple however, is low on the list so price is not an issue for it. Overall it's just an unwanted pet, it's not a pretty pet and it's not cute like the July Rats. I have seen lots of people trying to get rid of their apples in the past year or so. The only thing really going for Apple is that you can cover it entirely in items, like the Malk Smiley, so you can turn a plushie into a "pet" using it.

I think Cellar x Elijah has a point in that we are putting unwanted pets on the main list such as UR Apple, and not putting July 08 rats which have slightly more demand, and likely have less supply (Pawprint rats, and the Speckles are very low in the list for July-born OMGSRs). I don't think anyone foresaw the Speckles going OMGSR so early. They were going around balloon dog level before their surprise rarity change, so I can see an argument to boost them up the list. They are really clinging to VR this year though, which is interesting. As to the Pawprint rats, it is only a guess that they are less in supply than Apples. I see much less around, but I don't really know how they are going so this might not be correct.

I think they will go OMGSR next year or the year after, but that is just a guess. If they do, they will need to be boosted to the main list and quite a few spots up it, which will be a huge jump for them. Which means that they are incredibly poorly placed right now, if this is the case. That said, it is just as likely that they sit at VR for a long time like the common outcome July dogs, which would mean they are not so poorly placed. But I am fairly sure that they will go OMGSR before many of the July dogs, I think it will take quite a while though. The single-outcome July rats, I'm not so sure about. I don't see them around at all, but I haven't been looking for them. I would've thought them more common than the multiple outcome rats, based on the Speckles going OMGSR first.

[Pideaux]

As I mentioned on the chat, while going ID searching on the 18th, it was obvious that there were many of the July Speckled Rats released over the older URs. They had seemed to infested the 18th releases. Assuming I am correct there, the July rats are fine where they are with supply vs demand. I do agree that the Apple and Purple Tess seem a bit misplaced at the moment but it seems as if their popularity has declined for the past 6 months or so. I don't think any move is a good move until we see a year of stable decline in popularity of pets. You know how demand fluctuates on CS.

Another thing that people may want to note is how easy it is to get July Rats. If you have the fodder for it, you could easily complete a July Rat collection in a month or two whereas mid-list pets are difficult to pry from peoples arms. If the July rats are moved up, it would be the same story. No one would be willing to pay a Toxic or more for any rat. Hell, people have difficulties paying such a 'high' price for the UR Rat. I don't believe moving the rats up the list would help anything at all. It will only become the Grinner of main list pets. Used to boost fodder and bids in auctions only because they can point their finger at this list screaming "BUT LOOK WHERE IT'S PLACED!".

[MEAT!]

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I'm looking over the list, and I saw that the Orange Cerberus is not on the bottom of the main rares list. I know it's based on demand and rarity, but if the Cerberus moved up, why wouldn't the BA? It has a huge amount of demand. Even bigger than a Line Tribal. Sorry bout waisting your time. Thanks
~Wolf
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[Solloby]

Apple was never popular (at least while I've been back around, which is since Jan 2011). It's been half a year since the last rerelease; I don't think it's too early to consider dropping its placement on the Rares List. UR Purple I don't see around as much as Apple, so I don't think it should drop though. I think people are just a bit unsure of it because of UR Mint's abysmal trade performance last year.

Regarding the July Rats, I am more concerned about the placement of the Pawprint Rats than the Speckle Rats, especially considering their failure to return to OMGSR last update. I never see the Pawprints around, but since I haven't been looking for them I could be wrong about their rarity. Do you know if there are many floating about?

Oh and on a completely unrelated topic, I would never pay a Nondog for an UR Cucumber. Yeah they're OMGSR, but so are the UR Grapes. I don't think UR Cucumber is going to end up being that popular, not after its "shiny newness" wears off. I am wondering if perhaps we shouldn't place it until it sees another rerelease?

[scorps]

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I'm looking over the list, and I saw that the Orange Cerberus is not on the bottom of the main rares list. I know it's based on demand and rarity, but if the Cerberus moved up, why wouldn't the BA? It has a huge amount of demand. Even bigger than a Line Tribal. Sorry bout waisting your time. Thanks
~Wolf
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They don't want to move the BA up because it would cause even more crazy overpay, it's up that high because of demand already :3

[MEAT!]

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I'm looking over the list, and I saw that the Orange Cerberus is not on the bottom of the main rares list. I know it's based on demand and rarity, but if the Cerberus moved up, why wouldn't the BA? It has a huge amount of demand. Even bigger than a Line Tribal. Sorry bout waisting your time. Thanks
~Wolf
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They don't want to move the BA up because it would cause even more crazy overpay, it's up that high because of demand already :3

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That's true. But, then why did the Cerberus move up? I haven't seen a lot of demand for it, before it was moved, but then yet again, there is little supply of them, than the Red Cerberus, since the Orange is older, but the Red did have more demand.
~Wolf
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[Solloby]

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I'm looking over the list, and I saw that the Orange Cerberus is not on the bottom of the main rares list. I know it's based on demand and rarity, but if the Cerberus moved up, why wouldn't the BA? It has a huge amount of demand. Even bigger than a Line Tribal. Sorry bout waisting your time. Thanks
~Wolf
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They don't want to move the BA up because it would cause even more crazy overpay, it's up that high because of demand already :3

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That's true. But, then why did the Cerberus move up? I haven't seen a lot of demand for it, before it was moved, but then yet again, there is little supply of them, than the Red Cerberus, since the Orange is older, but the Red did have more demand.
~Wolf
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Cerberus has high demand (both colours), and as it is a store pet it was not rereleased last year so its rarity has decreased compared to all non-store pets. As it is not rereleased, its only supply comes from those on existing accounts, so not only did it not get a boost in pure adoption numbers, but it did not get a boost in numbers on active accounts either.

[MEAT!]

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That's true. But, then why did the Cerberus move up? I haven't seen a lot of demand for it, before it was moved, but then yet again, there is little supply of them, than the Red Cerberus, since the Orange is older, but the Red did have more demand.
~Wolf
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Cerberus has high demand (both colours), and as it is a store pet it was not rereleased last year so its rarity has decreased compared to all non-store pets. As it is not rereleased, its only supply comes from those on existing accounts, so not only did it not get a boost in pure adoption numbers, but it did not get a boost in numbers on active accounts either.

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Thank you for clearing that up ^^
~Wolf
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[Pideaux]

As far as the pawprint/lime/skelly rats go, I'm not sure about them. They never made it to OMGSR correct? The speckled rats have previously and may again by the end of the year. I like the placement of the Speckled rats but if we move the others up any, we would be going against the rarity aspect since they obviously aren't as rare as the others. Until we see a rarity change in them, there is no telling how rare they are compared to the Speckles. I do know the Skeleton rat is amazingly more hard to find than any of the others - He would be the only one I would feel comfortable moving up since the supply is so low.


On another note, Komi - Something that has been bugging me for a while now and this may not make much sense but lets start it as a rough draft. We are planning to continually add 'list worthy' pets to the list as they gain rarity. I can understand creating a tier below the list that contains things such as the Watermelon Dog and St. Patrick's Dragon but as far as moving pets up as the years go on, it makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't believe pets should be moved up individually as much as I believe the list should be moved up entirely, if that makes sense. There are some pets that will deserve to be on the list as time goes on, the ones that meet all criteria for supply, demand and rarity. But I can just see the list gaining more and more pets through the years while simultaneously taking away from deserving pets such as the Advents. There are so many 'advent worthy' pets at the moment yet there are only a few in my opinion that are worth the demand, dates and rarity of the advents. e.e Does any of that make sense orso e.e

[Kareu~chan]

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I'm looking over the list, and I saw that the Orange Cerberus is not on the bottom of the main rares list. I know it's based on demand and rarity, but if the Cerberus moved up, why wouldn't the BA? It has a huge amount of demand. Even bigger than a Line Tribal. Sorry bout waisting your time. Thanks
~Wolf
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If it's okay, could I add just one thing about the BA. It's still an advent, and has been moved up as far as it can possibly go. It's already been moved WAY above it's rarity because of it's insane demand, we simply can't move it any farther up.