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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby Feather <3 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:05 pm

Seasonal wrote:People only want the Skelebun now because they've realized its fate.

That being said, I don't think that the Skelebun/Cerberus and Corgis/Dragoncat PPS are comparable in this way. The old store pets are not just worth a lot because of demand; there just weren't a lot of people who bought them. They were a bit expensive for just one pet, and even many active players (such as myself) were either too young to spend money on a virtual game, or didn't want to spend their real life money on what is essentially pixels on a screen. I think that with the recent changes in the world and virtual things becoming way more prevalent, this mentality has shifted, but back in 2010 I don't think that many people were keen on spending real money on something they didn't perceive as real. Plus, I'm not sure that in 2010 people expected CS to stay around for a very long time like it has. Today's CS economy is much different; you don't have to spend real money to get C$. There's tons of C$ floating around that can be traded for relatively easily. Getting 70 C$ every two months is very doable for most people.

Compared to the corgi set and the dragon set, a lot more of them were bought. Yes, they will never be re-released, so they will always theoretically climb in value very slowly over time. But, I don't think they would become unattainable in the same way that the old store pets will; it would take many, many years for that to happen, and realistically I don't think CS will be around long enough to see that happen. I would guess that there are less than 1,000 of each of the old store pets whereas there are probably thousands upon thousands of those newer sets. I think their demand has risen because so many people are hopeful that they will become super rare, but it's just not going to happen.


This is a really good point. I think I'm also being swept up in a bit of the fear of newer store pets going the way of the skelebun, trying too hard to adjust my mental models according to new trends, but have not thought about it very rationally / in terms of actual numbers. Even if CS stayed around for the next 50+ years, it would still have to grow proportionally over a much larger existing user base to hit the same low rate of Dragon PPS per player as there currently are Skelebuns per player. Leads me to wonder what the growth rate of CS has been over time... is there data available on this, or only indirectly through rarity changes?

Also can very much relate to being young in 2009 and not in a position where I could access real money (esp. in the form of card or pay pal) to spend, but all of us who have been around since then by definition are adults by now and CS$ does feel a whole lot easier to come by.

The problem arises when I want to trade my omgsr rat for 50 rares but the other person values it at 25. I have two options we can compromise and find some mid ground or I can move on and find someone who values it about where I do.


Actually I used to dream about building a trade system (I'm now a programmer by profession, so I guess even by nature this is still exciting to me) where every player could submit an "offer" and other users could browse this marketplace and either put up their own or complete an offer they saw. The system would match and complete compatible offers (ie., I offer X for Y, another player offers Y + Z for X - this is compatible and X/Y would be exchanged; there could even be some system for splitting the difference of Z).

That said I don't think an official open marketplace like this would be good for the game, because it would clear the market *too* efficiently and take away the fun. Mostly imagined it as an unrealistic but very lucrative side-operation to be able to scale up the work of finding and making the right trades haha :)

Anyway, besides enjoying the art, trying to understand the economy and how to grow value in it is what has kept me checking back on CS all these years. The change is a bit shocking but at least not boring, and this discussion is great!


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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby ariadne » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:10 pm

Brackensnake wrote:
c a w. wrote:
The "Dragon Cat PPS is not worth lists." and "Raven is not worth Nons."
I wholeheartly agree.
I have beem offering everything for the Raven/PPS Dragon Cat in trades for years and no one seemed that impressed, even when offered everything on account back then. If I wasn't gifted the raven by a generous user, I still would be wandering around hoping to at least own it for a minute. I understand that they have amazing design, they are my favourite in the whole CS world but are they really worth OMGSRs..? Personally I think people have to pay more now but back then I payed this for the dragon cat.
( Also your link doesn’t work )

I disagree, people need to stop living in the past. Anyone who thinks that the raven dog or dragon cat pps is not worth the outrageous demand needs to start thinking about the future more. Those pets won’t go for what they used. They will will only be worth more, they won’t be released again. Getting your hands on one now for an outrageous price will look like a bargain in a few years. People will be looking back going, “ The demand for the raven is so outrageous you have to pay and arm and a leg just to get one, why can’t people trade them for 2 nons like what they are really worth ( Insert trade from 2019 )” It’s like me saying, why can’t I buy a tv for 40 dollars anymore it’s outrageous demand I don’t want to spend 1500 dollars for it. ( You get the idea I have no idea how much a tv costs ;-; )


I don't think so. The people that both like the designs a lot and have the fodder to afford them will run out at some point. The nature of demand is that it's temporary. Also while store pets grow in value over time I don't think that there will ever be an influx of users like from 2009-now. They grow slowly. If anything I think that demand will die down after a few years and people will be upset they spent what they did.
Also the TV example is facetious, TVs have real actual worth made out of components and programming expertise, CS pets are not inherently worth anything, they go for what people are willing to give, and that changes in the blink of an eye from person to person. If less people are willing to pay outrageously, less outrageous trades will happen.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby amarok. » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:26 pm

ariadne wrote:
Brackensnake wrote:
c a w. wrote:
The "Dragon Cat PPS is not worth lists." and "Raven is not worth Nons."
I wholeheartly agree.
I have beem offering everything for the Raven/PPS Dragon Cat in trades for years and no one seemed that impressed, even when offered everything on account back then. If I wasn't gifted the raven by a generous user, I still would be wandering around hoping to at least own it for a minute. I understand that they have amazing design, they are my favourite in the whole CS world but are they really worth OMGSRs..? Personally I think people have to pay more now but back then I payed this for the dragon cat.
( Also your link doesn’t work )

I disagree, people need to stop living in the past. Anyone who thinks that the raven dog or dragon cat pps is not worth the outrageous demand needs to start thinking about the future more. Those pets won’t go for what they used. They will will only be worth more, they won’t be released again. Getting your hands on one now for an outrageous price will look like a bargain in a few years. People will be looking back going, “ The demand for the raven is so outrageous you have to pay and arm and a leg just to get one, why can’t people trade them for 2 nons like what they are really worth ( Insert trade from 2019 )” It’s like me saying, why can’t I buy a tv for 40 dollars anymore it’s outrageous demand I don’t want to spend 1500 dollars for it. ( You get the idea I have no idea how much a tv costs ;-; )


I don't think so. The people that both like the designs a lot and have the fodder to afford them will run out at some point. The nature of demand is that it's temporary. Also while store pets grow in value over time I don't think that there will ever be an influx of users like from 2009-now. They grow slowly. If anything I think that demand will die down after a few years and people will be upset they spent what they did.
Also the TV example is facetious, TVs have real actual worth made out of components and programming expertise, CS pets are not inherently worth anything, they go for what people are willing to give, and that changes in the blink of an eye from person to person. If less people are willing to pay outrageously, less outrageous trades will happen.

like i'm not being funny but the raven dog and dragon pps are already losing "demand value". they're just as popular, yes, but they're trading for less. largely because i think people are realising the ravens are nowhere near as valuable as they were made out to be and it's not worth throwing a dogtag at one when they're not likely to even turn "omgsr" for a few years yet. i''ve seen a few trades where one raven has gone for 1.5 nons and apparently there's recent instances where they've traded for nons. likewise the dragon pps is back to trading for a mid advent.
the skelebun and the sorbs are another issue altogether, but the raven and pps aren't really great examples.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby odin » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:17 am

All I'm saying, is Skelebunny.
Saw an auction with one that had a sunjewel, ur tiger, and multiple other (old) high lists bid. And they rated it like a 7/10. :shock:
I was half tempted to put mine for trade when I saw that. :lol:

Also saw above posts about the raven: raven STARTED AS A RARE and stayed a RARE for a while before it went VR, it'll be a LONG time before it's OMG; never under stood people paying nons+ for one. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby FishMilkshake » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:24 am

ppl got extremely unfair and it's only getting worse, would say a lot but because I'm new - my opinion doesn't matter and I don't want anyone to send a report on me again just because I pointed out that someone doesn't even care about their own rules anymore without particular reason
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby ariadne » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:48 am

odin wrote:All I'm saying, is Skelebunny.
Saw an auction with one that had a sunjewel, ur tiger, and multiple other (old) high lists bid. And they rated it like a 7/10. :shock:
I was half tempted to put mine for trade when I saw that. :lol:

Also saw above posts about the raven: raven STARTED AS A RARE and stayed a RARE for a while before it went VR, it'll be a LONG time before it's OMG; never under stood people paying nons+ for one. :lol: :lol:


The thing about the Skelebun is that people don't want it for it's design, they want it because it turned out to be one of the rarest pets on the site. That is an objective fact that's not changed by people's perception of it's value, the way the Raven flipflops between a Sorb and a Non depending on who you ask.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby odin » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:58 am

ariadne wrote:
odin wrote:All I'm saying, is Skelebunny.
Saw an auction with one that had a sunjewel, ur tiger, and multiple other (old) high lists bid. And they rated it like a 7/10. :shock:
I was half tempted to put mine for trade when I saw that. :lol:

Also saw above posts about the raven: raven STARTED AS A RARE and stayed a RARE for a while before it went VR, it'll be a LONG time before it's OMG; never under stood people paying nons+ for one. :lol: :lol:


The thing about the Skelebun is that people don't want it for it's design, they want it because it turned out to be one of the rarest pets on the site. That is an objective fact that's not changed by people's perception of it's value, the way the Raven flipflops between a Sorb and a Non depending on who you ask.

IMO, it's not "one of the rarest" on site (yet- one day it will be because it won't be rereleased), because it was VR for most of my years here. The ur tiger, has always been omg (I think), EVEN WITH rereleases. And the Peas have always been OMG. So, aren't they more rare that one that was vr for many years? In 2011, when both the bunny and pink sorb were vr, I traded this for the bunny and lots of other previous list pets (and I think it was still 'unfair' at the time, based on the lists, for my pink sorb. )
Regardless of what makes a pet have inflated demand, it's design or it's rarity, the pet still has inflated demand.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby amarok. » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:28 am

odin wrote:
ariadne wrote:
odin wrote:All I'm saying, is Skelebunny.
Saw an auction with one that had a sunjewel, ur tiger, and multiple other (old) high lists bid. And they rated it like a 7/10. :shock:
I was half tempted to put mine for trade when I saw that. :lol:

Also saw above posts about the raven: raven STARTED AS A RARE and stayed a RARE for a while before it went VR, it'll be a LONG time before it's OMG; never under stood people paying nons+ for one. :lol: :lol:


The thing about the Skelebun is that people don't want it for it's design, they want it because it turned out to be one of the rarest pets on the site. That is an objective fact that's not changed by people's perception of it's value, the way the Raven flipflops between a Sorb and a Non depending on who you ask.

IMO, it's not "one of the rarest" on site (yet- one day it will be because it won't be rereleased), because it was VR for most of my years here. The ur tiger, has always been omg (I think), EVEN WITH rereleases. And the Peas have always been OMG. So, aren't they more rare that one that was vr for many years? In 2011, when both the bunny and pink sorb were vr, I traded this for the bunny and lots of other previous list pets (and I think it was still 'unfair' at the time, based on the lists, for my pink sorb. )
Regardless of what makes a pet have inflated demand, it's design or it's rarity, the pet still has inflated demand.

In fact the zebras are the most valuable pets on the site. The nick unicorn and Ur butterfly wolf are also both more valuable than the UR tiger.
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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby Katsumi-Luna » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:37 am

yeeeeeeees I don't enjoy playing it anymore because it's near enough impossible to get decent pets even when you're overpaying or offering a TON of wishlist pets. the whole non worth for a mere advent store pets like the raven or marionette is gross. I remember when the marionette was going for it's tiers worth, boy those were good times.

Even OMGSR pets get you no where unless it a non dog or higher. I worked my butt off to get a joker Bun thinking that it would help me get something worth holding onto but now it's just another hurdle. even getting a certain 2009 VR dog (non list) is proving a challenge

I miss the days of CS in 2009 and I don't know how much longer I'll be playing it for, 11 years on this site seeing it go down hill in terms of playability due to absurd demand is kinda poopy.

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Re: Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

Postby odin » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 am

amarok. wrote:In fact the zebras are the most valuable pets on the site. The nick unicorn and Ur butterfly wolf are also both more valuable than the UR tiger.

Yes I always forget about zebras (forgive me, I don't collect them :oops: ). I wasn't sure about the unickcorn or ur butterfly wolf (they aren't as popular a species as dogs, so people undervalue them a lot).
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