Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

[uro]

^^^ agreed with the top post. The trading rarity and demand system needs more stability. It's getting difficult to trade and i feel like ever since the most followed list has been discontinued so many pets are being unnecessarily shoved down due to "bad demand". I'm not saying we should totally take away the demand factor but at this rate it's pretty much 90% of what people go off of, and it changes so constantly, it would just be nice to have something set in stone about the rarest pets on cs. At least something to go off of and have a good idea of what everything is worth and not have to come back within a month or week and see that the rarest pets are suddenly horrible demanded and worth nothing close to what they originally were worth if that makes any sense.

[ThunderCedar]

The demand of store pets started shooting up before it was even in question to discontinue the list.when the skelebun turned OMGSR, its demand skyrocketed from barely fetching its own worth, to going for several nons and unimaginable prices. People realized the supply was really low, and would only become lower, and soon they also noticed that was also the case for the other old store pets. I offered 5 nons worth on the skelebun before the list was discontinued and still got cancelled.
The raven was going for a non and up before the list being discontinued as well. I don't think the discontinuation of the list played any role in these pets going for so much overpay.
People just really want them (not necessarily because they like them. They want them most of the time because they are expensive) , but there aren't many of them for trade. So they give as much as they can for them.

[Ventru]

I trade rarely now - I just don't really like it anymore. The rares list has made the worth of certain pets artificial and now users feel like a raven dog HAS to be worth X july pets. Well absolutely not. The "demand" we've attached to it is not real. Demand is supposed to be subjective and different for every player, hence users should offer what they think is fair (taking into account release date, lack of rereleases, rarity) as opposed to quantifying everything in "nons" which is ridiculous in my opinion - I doubt there are many people with spare nons just lying about.

[serenitymontaza]

The demand of store pets started shooting up before it was even in question to discontinue the list.when the skelebun turned OMGSR, its demand skyrocketed from barely fetching its own worth, to going for several nons and unimaginable prices. People realized the supply was really low, and would only become lower, and soon they also noticed that was also the case for the other old store pets. I offered 5 nons worth on the skelebun before the list was discontinued and still got cancelled.
The raven was going for a non and up before the list being discontinued as well. I don't think the discontinuation of the list played any role in these pets going for so much overpay.
People just really want them (not necessarily because they like them. They want them most of the time because they are expensive) , but there aren't many of them for trade. So they give as much as they can for them.

i agree with parts of this, but what about the pets that were never store pets? surely the only thing fueling their demand is other high-demand pets (that were store pets) going for ridiculous amounts. i find it interesting that you've mentioned this started before the list got cancelled though, because i left just before then. it'd be interesting to see auctions from this time (which i believe was feburary-ish??) for these pets compared to now.

[W0LF]

I didn't even touch the subject of new players... I can't imagine having just started this site and falling in love with it just to see how broken the trading system is or even worse, getting a really good pet in Dec 18th and trading it away for something not even close to it's worth because some jerk saw an opportunity to step on someone who didn't know any better. That alone would turn me away from this site.

Im already considering limiting how much time I spend on this site from now on until it either works itself out or ultimately falls apart. Im praying for the first...

Glad this topic is up.

...I actually saw someone who joined in 2015
in the Official Event Swap Thread
showing "Need" with a pic of the new UR pets.
& "Have" with pics of regular Christmas pets.

...Being that their account was activated in 2015,
I can only assume they are intentionally fishing for a new player to make this (incredibly unfair) "swap"
Hoping that a new player simply wouldn't know one unknown rarity from another

That's just supply and demand for you. The older pets are rereleased every year and the store pets are not. And as demand rises while supply falls, value goes up. That's just how economies are. It's just not feasible to keep value the exact same when everybody and their mother wants a Raven, or a Cerberus, or whatever. Only way to alleviate it would be to reintroduce the animals and make them more common, but it would have to be done through the store.

...Most seem to accept the idea that store pets never get re-released, while other pets do
& therefore store pets will become more rare then any non store pets with time...
Yet, when I offer a Very Rare store pet from 2013 in exchange for a Rare 2010 zodiac dog...
My offer is "unfair" to them?

At the same time, one store pet from 2014 goes for main list pets?!
Really?...
Makes no sense to me.
...& some of the messages are just plain
snarky!
If you dont want to trade, just say no thank you.
There's no need to be rude, especially when what should be a decent offer,
you no longer recognise as being fair?
It's very confusing, & at times frustrating.

I also find it strange how many people claim that they still follow the list, yet all of their pets are worth much more now... Hmm...
Which is it?... Do you follow the list, or is it no longer accurate?...

I'm almost afraid to trade for pets now.
That's a shame, because CS has been an outlet for me for several years.
It's my "happy place" & these vertual pets are a huge part of that. <3
I'm just glad I managed to trade for most of my much loved / most wanted pets while trading still made sense.

The demand of store pets started shooting up before it was even in question to discontinue the list.when the skelebun turned OMGSR, its demand skyrocketed from barely fetching its own worth, to going for several nons and unimaginable prices. People realized the supply was really low, and would only become lower, and soon they also noticed that was also the case for the other old store pets. I offered 5 nons worth on the skelebun before the list was discontinued and still got cancelled.
The raven was going for a non and up before the list being discontinued as well. I don't think the discontinuation of the list played any role in these pets going for so much overpay.
People just really want them (not necessarily because they like them. They want them most of the time because they are expensive) , but there aren't many of them for trade. So they give as much as they can for them.

I was very LITERALLY in the midst of finalizing a trade for the skelebun, as it turned OMGSR!

I wanted it, because I'm a fan of Vampiric pets, & also thought it would be really great to have all of the skeleton pets in my collection.
It was personal preference for the design.
I've always liked that bunny, even when it wasn't really all that popular.

My trade partner & I had done some back & forth.
We had an idea of what would be fair to both, & were making the last edits to the trade, when...
PURPLE tag? ...
They canceled the trade
So crazy how close I was to having this pet.
Now it seems almost everyone wants one, & it's almost impossible to trade for one.
Darn purple tag!

Again, I actually wanted this pet because of the artist & the design.
It could have had a blue tag, I didn't care.
Ever since the tag changed, the "demand" seemed to instantly boom.
I've just about given up the idea that I might have one in my collection.

[Lileevine]

the points about wanting a pet for design but being unable to get it due to demand hits frustratingly close to home. i've wanted a shima lt/raven/certain URs for a while because of design, i want to dress them up, etc, and it's annoying to know they'll be out of my reach for a long time because some people want to be able to auction them off for sunjewels. even so i understand it conceptually, and honestly, there are a lot of pets of lower value i have and love, but it's still a bit sad when i just want to be able to put a scarf on a shima lol

[Minaethiel]

That's just supply and demand for you. The older pets are rereleased every year and the store pets are not. And as demand rises while supply falls, value goes up. That's just how economies are. It's just not feasible to keep value the exact same when everybody and their mother wants a Raven, or a Cerberus, or whatever. Only way to alleviate it would be to reintroduce the animals and make them more common, but it would have to be done through the store.

...Most seem to accept the idea that store pets never get re-released, while other pets do
& therefore store pets will become more rare then any non store pets with time...
Yet, when I offer a Very Rare store pet from 2013 in exchange for a Rare 2010 zodiac dog...
My offer is "unfair" to them?

At the same time, one store pet from 2014 goes for main list pets?!
Really?...
Makes no sense to me.
...& some of the messages are just plain
snarky!
If you dont want to trade, just say no thank you.
There's no need to be rude, especially when what should be a decent offer,
you no longer recognise as being fair?
It's very confusing, & at times frustrating.

I also find it strange how many people claim that they still follow the list, yet all of their pets are worth much more now... Hmm...
Which is it?... Do you follow the list, or is it no longer accurate?...

I'm almost afraid to trade for pets now.
That's a shame, because CS has been an outlet for me for several years.
It's my "happy place" & these vertual pets are a huge part of that. <3
I'm just glad I managed to trade for most of my much loved / most wanted pets while trading still made sense.

That's personal demand for you. And Zodiacs are in rather large demand too, to use your example. The problem with a largely demand based system is there is no set value. It's up, largely, to the person you're trading with. So what's fair to you may be unfair to them. It's a complete luck of the draw. As for the list, people, I think, have more tried to evolve without it. Even before it was discontinued, people said it was rather out of date. Which is really just a sign that we need some form of updated structure back. I strongly believe that, if we had that structure, demand would be curved a bit. And it's not a crime for people to want their fair worth out of pets they have. Supply and demand. If you don't have the supply to appease the demand, then the supply is going to go up in value as a result.

Granted, that isn't going to change that the root of the demand this is going to be the store pets. Because my point still stands: store pets don't get rereleases. There aren't going to be more pumped into the economy unless they do a big store rerelease.

Personally, I've got this idea of having a box similar to the 18th rerelease box, but in the store. It has a single pet from all of the store releases done over the years. It's a limit of one, it costs, I dunno, 25 C$ or something, I'm no price gauge expert, and you can get it once and it'll be a random store pet, everything from the Skelebun to the newest monkey pets.

Of course, then you run the risk of dealing with the latest and greatest RNG loot box controversy, which I really don't want to get into, but it would definitely help the supply and demand problem.

[LLHBBB]

This is why I wanted to keep the original list but have it be revamped to make more sense. I was afraid to many people where hoping without the list they could get pets for a lot cheaper prices for a lack of a better way to explain it. It seems to have done the opposite effect and people want "I can dream" prices for everything. Sure you can dream but you need to be reasonable. Look at the VR-omgsr list swap thread and see what some people are asking for. I just look through it and laugh. Without a guide people can as they always could just ask for anything but I don't think they realize just how unfair some of what they are asking for really is. I tend to do very little list trading at this point unless with someone else who still goes by the old list.

[Animall]

reposted bc i werked hard on the post and it got no attention lol

[ThunderCedar]

The demand of store pets started shooting up before it was even in question to discontinue the list.when the skelebun turned OMGSR, its demand skyrocketed from barely fetching its own worth, to going for several nons and unimaginable prices. People realized the supply was really low, and would only become lower, and soon they also noticed that was also the case for the other old store pets. I offered 5 nons worth on the skelebun before the list was discontinued and still got cancelled.
The raven was going for a non and up before the list being discontinued as well. I don't think the discontinuation of the list played any role in these pets going for so much overpay.
People just really want them (not necessarily because they like them. They want them most of the time because they are expensive) , but there aren't many of them for trade. So they give as much as they can for them.

I was very LITERALLY in the midst of finalizing a trade for the skelebun, as it turned OMGSR!

I wanted it, because I'm a fan of Vampiric pets, & also thought it would be really great to have all of the skeleton pets in my collection.
It was personal preference for the design.
I've always liked that bunny, even when it wasn't really all that popular.

My trade partner & I had done some back & forth.
We had an idea of what would be fair to both, & were making the last edits to the trade, when...
PURPLE tag? ...
They canceled the trade
So crazy how close I was to having this pet.
Now it seems almost everyone wants one, & it's almost impossible to trade for one.
Darn purple tag!

Again, I actually wanted this pet because of the artist & the design.
It could have had a blue tag, I didn't care.
Ever since the tag changed, the "demand" seemed to instantly boom.
I've just about given up the idea that I might have one in my collection.

Very sorry to hear that. It must have been very frustrating for you.
That is what I am saying. When the rarity tag changed to purple the demand went up all at once, it seems.

I know that not everyone only wants a skelebun because it's rare and a pet people would love to flex having. However, that's what I have noticed many people want it for. Whether you like the skelebun or think it's really ugly at this point, there's a good chance you want one anyways.

That's why I'm saying in cases like this one, demand isn't totally subjective. Most of the hype for it comes from its decreasing supply.