Deleting nons - A new trading system proposal

[odin]

like i get that demand is a thing, but sometimes it's out of hand. like, one person shows a trade they made where they got a huge over trade for a popular pet, then that's what everyone expects. so no one will trade it for less than what the other person got. like having the section of the trading guide with the popular rares... i don't think that's needed it just pushes demand up more for them.

for instance, i found this guy for 16 c$, that is how the person priced him and that's what i offered.
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then someone said they got 100 for theirs and i'm like yeah he's a lion and pps, which are more popular... but THAT MUCH MORE? it's insane.

[Bluefly26799]

like i get that demand is a thing, but sometimes it's out of hand. like, one person shows a trade they made where they got a huge over trade for a popular pet, then that's what everyone expects. so no one will trade it for less than what the other person got. like having the section of the trading guide with the popular rares... i don't think that's needed it just pushes demand up more for them.

for instance, i found this guy for 16 c$, that is how the person priced him and that's what i offered.
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then someone said they got 100 for theirs and i'm like yeah he's a lion and pps, which are more popular... but THAT MUCH MORE? it's insane.

C$ is tricky in its own right IMO its become so easy to obtain people just throw it at what they like (yes ik not everyone finds it easy to get but a lot of people do especially if you know how) And lions especially pps lions are like top tier demand wise for collectors

I do agree outliers are a huge huge huge problem. The successful trades thread is my go to place for suggesting people learn values but these days it has become under moderated in my opinion. You are allowed to post outliers but they must be marked as such. The ambiguity in the general CS trading rules allows for people to value their pets as they see fit which allows for people who understand the system to use it to their advantage. So instead of having clear outliers were having a similar issue to the FTT which is its becoming opinion again. A 1 non pet that gets 1.5-2 non due to someone really wanting it that day and is willing to pay doesnt then make that pet 1.5-2 non

We saw this with the pps dragon cat. A few outlier trades tried to push it from 1 to 1.5-2 non and were already seeing it back down to 1-1.5

[sunka]

^ i agree with bluefly. i haven’t looked at horrors list in a Long while. i solely utilize the successful trades thread, and i go off of trends and current values while paying less attention to the outlier trades. UNLESS the outlier trades involve a lower demand pet, an an explanation is the person over/under paid for the trade specifically because of a low demand pet. i firmly believe the current ‘list’ we use it out of date and is in desperate need of an update which is why i have started utilizing data and not opinions.

[odin]

like i get that demand is a thing, but sometimes it's out of hand. like, one person shows a trade they made where they got a huge over trade for a popular pet, then that's what everyone expects. so no one will trade it for less than what the other person got. like having the section of the trading guide with the popular rares... i don't think that's needed it just pushes demand up more for them.

for instance, i found this guy for 16 c$, that is how the person priced him and that's what i offered.
click
then someone said they got 100 for theirs and i'm like yeah he's a lion and pps, which are more popular... but THAT MUCH MORE? it's insane.

C$ is tricky in its own right IMO its become so easy to obtain people just throw it at what they like (yes ik not everyone finds it easy to get but a lot of people do especially if you know how) And lions especially pps lions are like top tier demand wise for collectors

I do agree outliers are a huge huge huge problem. The successful trades thread is my go to place for suggesting people learn values but these days it has become under moderated in my opinion. You are allowed to post outliers but they must be marked as such. The ambiguity in the general CS trading rules allows for people to value their pets as they see fit which allows for people who understand the system to use it to their advantage. So instead of having clear outliers were having a similar issue to the FTT which is its becoming opinion again. A 1 non pet that gets 1.5-2 non due to someone really wanting it that day and is willing to pay doesnt then make that pet 1.5-2 non

We saw this with the pps dragon cat. A few outlier trades tried to push it from 1 to 1.5-2 non and were already seeing it back down to 1-1.5

exactly. the dragon cat is adorable and popular because it's store and a pps, but it's very rare. the fact that it's even 1 non is insane. but demand raises demand, then it's outta control. i agree i used to try to look at the ftt for advice, but it's just all over the place. something needs to happen to make it easier to trade for popular pets (and by easier, i mean easier to calculate the values of the pet).

[Ethy]

totally agree, this problem's been getting more obvious lately and the c$ value disparity but that's another discussion

& completely back everything that's been said on this thread about overpayments inflating values. there's a big problem in people doubling down on their own overpayments and insisting that since they themselves paid that price, it must be worth that. I've overpaid for trade fodder before, just gotta take the L & try to recuperate. we end up with a bunch of rarer pets with price tags absolutely no one is willing to pay

store pet values are also hella broken in this way, a store pet might be worth "4 old rares" etc but you'd be lucky to find someone who would take 8 old rares for them. 09'-10' rares aren't the currency they were a few years ago

[Ashki]

like i get that demand is a thing, but sometimes it's out of hand. like, one person shows a trade they made where they got a huge over trade for a popular pet, then that's what everyone expects. so no one will trade it for less than what the other person got. like having the section of the trading guide with the popular rares... i don't think that's needed it just pushes demand up more for them.

for instance, i found this guy for 16 c$, that is how the person priced him and that's what i offered.
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then someone said they got 100 for theirs and i'm like :what: yeah he's a lion and pps, which are more popular... but THAT MUCH MORE? it's insane.

I agree with what you said completely. I am severely confused as a returning player. I'll be honest, I've been confused this WHOLE time about values, etc. It's honestly not even fun anymore. I've gotten myself really upset over this when I really shouldn't get so upset over stuff like this, it's just a game with pixel pets. :( I've even had others be extremely rude to me even when I thought I put out a more than fair trade. There's a grey area for a lot of pets still and so some are expecting SO much more. ;_;

totally agree, this problem's been getting more obvious lately :thumbdown: and the c$ value disparity but that's another discussion

& completely back everything that's been said on this thread about overpayments inflating values. there's a big problem in people doubling down on their own overpayments and insisting that since they themselves paid that price, it must be worth that. I've overpaid for trade fodder before, just gotta take the L & try to recuperate. we end up with a bunch of rarer pets with price tags absolutely no one is willing to pay

store pet values are also hella broken in this way, a store pet might be worth "4 old rares" etc but you'd be lucky to find someone who would take 8 old rares for them. 09'-10' rares aren't the currency they were a few years ago

very very well said!

[Ashki]

I didn't read every single comment in this thread so excuse me if this is just a repeat, but here's where I'm at with trading

1. Get rid of nons. It's just more complicated. Get rid of nons and value everything at MAs

2. Set a standard rate between MAs and C$
Ex. 100C$ = 1MA or something like that. That way we all aren't trying to guess and reference. And no more "this pet is valued at 50c$-100c$". Why? That's so unnecessary. It's either 50C$ or 100C$. Including re-releases.

3. There's going to be no way to regulate C$. People will pay what they want and unfortunately that may make adjustments to the current demand but after the hype is over it goes down. Its the same way in real life. Some item goes viral at a store and suddenly we are all okay paying 2-3xs the retail value so we don't miss out but after the holiday or fade is over, it's barely worth the original retail value. That's just how money works and always has. I had someone offer me 5C$ for the NYE cat and I turned it down just because I didn't want to trade it yet. I had someone else offer me nearly 40C$ for it. It's not valued at 40 but they were willing to overpay so why not take it?

It's because of those examples regulating the c$ value on pets won't work. But that doesn't mean that pet needs to be listed on the values post for it's current going mark up rate like the Gacha dog. Leave the normal rares out of that post and I guarantee the going rate will decrease.

Anyways this is my 2 cents about it!

totally agree, this problem's been getting more obvious lately and the c$ value disparity but that's another discussion

& completely back everything that's been said on this thread about overpayments inflating values. there's a big problem in people doubling down on their own overpayments and insisting that since they themselves paid that price, it must be worth that. I've overpaid for trade fodder before, just gotta take the L & try to recuperate. we end up with a bunch of rarer pets with price tags absolutely no one is willing to pay

store pet values are also hella broken in this way, a store pet might be worth "4 old rares" etc but you'd be lucky to find someone who would take 8 old rares for them. 09'-10' rares aren't the currency they were a few years ago

I still don't think we should be using old rares as a method of valuing pets. One old rares might have a higher demand than the next. I mean technically a 2010 rare horse and a 2010 rare dog are the same but no one is trading their store pets for rare horses. So using them as a standard for values isn't consistent or accurate

[himarry 124]

totally agree, this problem's been getting more obvious lately and the c$ value disparity but that's another discussion

& completely back everything that's been said on this thread about overpayments inflating values. there's a big problem in people doubling down on their own overpayments and insisting that since they themselves paid that price, it must be worth that. I've overpaid for trade fodder before, just gotta take the L & try to recuperate. we end up with a bunch of rarer pets with price tags absolutely no one is willing to pay

store pet values are also hella broken in this way, a store pet might be worth "4 old rares" etc but you'd be lucky to find someone who would take 8 old rares for them. 09'-10' rares aren't the currency they were a few years ago

I still don't think we should be using old rares as a method of valuing pets. One old rares might have a higher demand than the next. I mean technically a 2010 rare horse and a 2010 rare dog are the same but no one is trading their store pets for rare horses. So using them as a standard for values isn't consistent or accurate

some people are but i would 100% agree it is much easier to trade dogs then horses. (rats and ponys are abysmal at times)

[comfypxl]

yes yes and yes. full support <3