[🐝] Guide to Trading Every Pet on CS --- **being updated**

[lil rascal]

^ I know what you mean, I would generally be okay to trade a 2020 or 2019 for a 2023 but would struggle with an ‘09 for a normal ‘10 or ‘11. However if my ‘09 was a plainer pet and theirs a cool event pet I’d feel differently. That’s why for me a lot comes down to design because even in the same year if I’m offered a boring pet for my cool one I’m going to hesitate unless the boring one is a wishlist one I really want.

I will never understand the refusal of those who make up the unofficially official store pets values to recognise the reality of retired store pets. Yes when they are still available in the store they are worth whatever the store sells them individually for, so currently 30C$ or a pet worth 30C$. However the second they retire from the store they join the elite group of pets that are never going to be released again. Their value should increase accordingly. I don’t buy spare sets to trade anymore or send trades for store pets as I just buy what I want when they’re in the store. However if I was to trade away or trade for a recently retired store pet I’d personally value it at least an ‘09 rare or ‘10/‘11 VR. In my opinion that value should at least double for every year they’re out of the store. Retired store pets are the elite of the elite. Unlike every other pet on the site they are never going to be rereleased. In my opinion trade advice should reflect that.

[fιяєfℓу]

CS is almost 16 years old. I do agree at this point it's quite unrealistic to use the 2:1 rule for rares. A 2009 would be 2 2010 rares, sure semi reasonable. But that would be hundreds of recent rares, which is just ridiculous. They are the same rarity after all. I do believe older rares should mantain a higher status so, I have a suggestion (unsure if this has been suggested before).
We could group rares into different groups, for example:
2008-2011 - Old Rares, Highest Tier, could be like Gold Tier for example (saw this idea somewhere before for lists I think)
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier
Rares in same tier should be able to swap without problem. This is not the same as the "3 year rule", as I do not agree with it. By saying you can trade rares if their difference is less than 3 years you could theoretically trade a 2023 rare for a 2008 rare with just a few trades ( 2023 for 2020, 2020 for 2017 and so on). By keeping the tiers, this grants the older rares which are more likely to turn vr sooner a higher status than recent event pets.
So a Gold Rare could be worth 2 Silver rares, 4 Bronze rares or 8 Cooper rares. Seems way more realistic than a 2008 rare being worth thousands of 2023 rares.

This could also help with list trading, just like we valued lists in 2009 rares we could now value them in Gold Rares.

[Sashtato]

CS is almost 16 years old. I do agree at this point it's quite unrealistic to use the 2:1 rule for rares. A 2009 would be 2 2010 rares, sure semi reasonable. But that would be hundreds of recent rares, which is just ridiculous. They are the same rarity after all. I do believe older rares should mantain a higher status so, I have a suggestion (unsure if this has been suggested before).
We could group rares into different groups, for example:
2008-2011 - Old Rares, Highest Tier, could be like Gold Tier for example (saw this idea somewhere before for lists I think)
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier
Rares in same tier should be able to swap without problem. This is not the same as the "3 year rule", as I do not agree with it. By saying you can trade rares if their difference is less than 3 years you could theoretically trade a 2023 rare for a 2008 rare with just a few trades ( 2023 for 2020, 2020 for 2017 and so on). By keeping the tiers, this grants the older rares which are more likely to turn vr sooner a higher status than recent event pets.
So a Gold Rare could be worth 2 Silver rares, 4 Bronze rares or 8 Cooper rares. Seems way more realistic than a 2008 rare being worth thousands of 2023 rares.

This could also help with list trading, just like we valued lists in 2009 rares we could now value them in Gold Rares.

I really like this system! I'm not sure I would quite value a Gold rare at 8 copper rares, I might want a few more than that, but not much. Its certainly the simplest, most reasonable suggestion I've seen. Support from me!

[SolarSonnet]

I do like the idea of having tiers, but I think I'd separate them into one or two more tiers.

So we have our "List" Pets that're worth multiple "Gold Tier" pets.

But I think 09 VRs are still worth like 4 '10-11 Rares. So I'd add a "Platinum" tier.

So for me it'd be

List Pets - 08 Rares, what we're using the below tiers to value
Platinum Tier - Regular 08 Rares/VRs that aren't on the list. 09 Rares (an 09 VR would still be worth 2 '09r' in theoretical value. Even though not many 09r exist anymore.)
Gold Tier - 2010-2011 Rares Aka "Old Rares" the "standard" for list-pet trading. Mid OMGSR(Non Tier) is worth 50 "Old Rares", or "Gold Tier Rares"
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier

So then you have
"My pet is worth 10 Platinum Tier Pets or 20 Gold Tier Pets"

I think that whatever method we use, there needs to be a separation between 09 rares and 10-11 rares, whether we use the "Old Rares" valuation, or this 'Rares by Date Tier' system.
Imo, any system that values 09 rares at the same level as '10 or '11 rares wouldn't work for me.

So a "Platinum tier pet" is an 09 Rare. An 09 Very Rare, is still worth 2 09 Rares.

Meaning if someone says "My pet is worth 10 Platinum Tier pets" you could offer them 5 09 Very Rares or 10 09 regular rares, and it would be fair.

Similarly, if they say "My pet is worth 20 Gold Tier Pets" you could offer them 10 2010 -2011 Very Rares or 20 2010-2011 Regular Rares, and it would be fair.

With this valuation, I think 2:1 between Tiers can work, assuming that each tier only accounts for regular rares and not vrs.

So you can say, "My Gold Tier Rare is worth 2 Silver Tier Pets, 4 Bronze Tier Pets, or 8 Copper Tier pets" Which feels better since in my list, "Gold Tier" is only 2010-2011 and not inclusive of 2008 or 2009.

I would, probably take 8 Copper Tier pets for a 2010 or 2011 rare, in the event I'm not trying to trade up to higher value pets.

[72027]

could we just decide the values for each individual year? it doesnt necessarily have to follow a specific "rule," although that would DEFINITELY make it easier. each year seems to have its own worth, which is why grouping doesnt work very well, especially with older pets.

heres a sample graph i made. originally, i wanted to make the graph completely linear. but that would place an '09 rare at 15 '23 rares, which i think is a bit much. 12 is more reasonable. its not a great graph (i made it super fast) so it doesnt show all the y-axis numbers. but from here, it could be reasoned that a '21 rare is worth 2 '23 rares. therefore, you would need 6 '21 rares, 2 '15 rares, or 1 '10 + 1 '23 rare to trade for an '09 rare.

it wouldnt have to follow exactly what i have. but its just an example of a graph-based system! more lines could be added on the same graph to show worth in # of '22, '21, '20, etc rares. and some kind of rule could be deduced from the graph. like what i have below. unfortunately, all i can think of rn is a basic math equation. so maybe its just easier to look at the graph.

rules to determine how many '23 rares a rare pet is worth:
'09-'17 : 4+t (t=number of years since 2017)
'17-'23 : 1+0.5t (t=number of years since 2023)

(edited my math)

[SolarSonnet]

This is not the kind of rarity math I was talking about.

Can you put it into an equation that does not use exponents?

Stuff like "'09-'17 : 4+1^t" is way too scary looking of an equation for me to be doing for calculating trades, and is the kind of extreme that would also put me off trading in the other direction.

If I can't do it in my head, then it's not viable for me. I'd literally much rather jerk in the total opposite direction and say "Yeah, OMGSRs are worth all other OMGSRs" than touch exponents in trade math with a ten-foot pole. My negative reaction to graphs and exponents is visceral.

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Also, this is super far off from any type of valuation I'd have for 09 rares/vrs. I'd barely trade the ugliest 09 rat out there for a '10 rare and a '23 rare. If we're using a line graph, the line between older years should be steeper and become more gradual as we get into newer years.

Take a graph like this for example:

The Green Line is the old 2:1 Method
The Purple Line is the +2+1 Method with +1 beginning at 2019.
The Aqua Line is a new method that starts with +2 from 2009 to 2012, does +1 for 2013 and 2014, then goes to +0.5 for 2015-2020, and 2020-2024 is +0.25.

I understand that that is literally exponential, but it's being put into a way where I can remember the rule and use addition to figure it out.

Doesn't have to be exactly like that, but I'd prefer if +2 went from 2009-2011 or 2012 at least and then I.. Don't have any personal investment in trading my 2009 pets for any pets after like 2012 (unless they're slumber party, fae, or space event pets). So my input after that point means less since I don't do those types of trades.

Here's what that looks like in a chart:



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Where you lose me here, though, is that finding out what a 2015 Rare is worth with this graph is really difficult for me. Which is why with my +2+1 method, it just "resets" and starts at whatever year you were at.

Your 1 2009 rare? 12 2015 rares or 14 2016 rares etc

Your 1 2015 rare? 2 2016 rares, 4 2017 rares, 6 2018 rares, 7 2019 rares etc

(Math Ramble, look for the bolded 'math ramble over' to skip)

12:14 is not 1:2, I'm well aware of that. I'm also totally aware that literally none of the other math checks out. The 12:14 ratio between 2015 and 2016 is just for calculating how many pets are valued for an 09 rare. Even though I have that 12:14 ratio, I still have no idea how many 2016 rares a 2015 pet would be worth, that's not what's being calculated in that trade.

I literally don't even know how to google it to look up that math for it to be 1 to something. All I can get is like.. 6:7?

This entire process gave me a massive headache to run though, and I don't even know if any of it is right despite running it through calculators so many times. I'm so confused.

And then it's stuck there so 6 2015 rares are worth 7 2016 rares? But then that means that like, each side divided by 6 would be 1 2015 Rare for 1.16 2016 Rare which..

How do you even value that? I don't like decimals. They hurt my brain.

1.16 ? What even is 0.16 of a 2016 rare? I guess that means its 16/100, 8/50, 4/25, 2/12.5, 1/6.25.. Comparing that to 2:1 rarity tag math of 1 r = 2 EUC = 4 VUC = 8 UC = 16 C = 32 VC.. 1/8 is 0.125 so a 2015 rare would equal.. 1 2016 Rare and about a 2016 Uncommon? That's not quite right though, you're still missing 0.035 of a rare.
1/16 is 0.065
1/32 is 0.031
Where do you stop? 1 2016 Rare, a 2016 Uncommon and a 2016 Very Common?

Meaning you're still missing 0.004 of a rare, which makes it probably the "most fair" you can probably get.. Unless like..
32 VC = 64 EC = 128 OMGSC..
1/128 is 0.007. Which makes the total value of 1 2016 Rare, a 2016 Uncommon, 2016 Very Common and a 2016 OMGSC overpay for a 2015 rare by 0.003. Which is the fairest swap you're getting, because without the omgsc, the 2015 rare is overpaying by 0.004, which is more than 0.003.

I hate that. That's so complicated and precise and hard to calculate, nobody is realistically doing that. That's just for one pet as well... And that's using the +2+1 method, which, during all the math I was doing, I totally forgot I was using that method to get the 12:14 ratio.

(Math ramble over)

That was ridiculous. I enjoyed raking my brain over hot math coals for a moment, but god that would be worse than a personal purgatory of stepping on infinite legos if I had to do anything like that for every trade.

That being said, having done ALL of that math, I do think 1:1.16 is a decent trade for a 2015 to 2016 rare. So I don't actually think that ratio is far off.

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Your 2015 rare is still worth 2 2016 rares with my version of +2+1, all the way up until 2019 where it is worth 7 and not 8 rares from 2019. I was never doing exponentials or fractions until now, it'd just be way too complicated to figure any of that out with that kind of math.

That being said: I never planned on trading my rares through many years anyway, I did it like that for a reason. I wanted it to be stupid for you to trade me 7 of your 2019 rares for my 2015 rares, because I do not want your 7 2019 rares for my 2015 rare. Nor do I want the opposite trade. I want to trade pets within similar years of each other, outside of super-high-value trades or when I'm overpaying, and that's it. I don't want any amount of your 2019 pets for my 2013 pet. I don't even want your 2016 pets for my 2013 pets unless you're offering me a space pet. I might want your 2015 pets for my 2013 pets, but you're pushing it at that point.

But no matter what kind of trades I actually want to do, it should be fair for people who want to do the type of trading that I'm not invested in right now, and it'll help me in the future when I do want to do those types of trades, too.

[72027]

This is not the kind of rarity math I was talking about.

Can you put it into an equation that does not use exponents?

Stuff like "'09-'17 : 4+1^t" is way too scary looking of an equation for me to be doing for calculating trades, and is the kind of extreme that would also put me off trading in the other direction.

If I can't do it in my head, then it's not viable for me. I'd literally much rather jerk in the total opposite direction and say "Yeah, OMGSRs are worth all other OMGSRs" than touch exponents in trade math with a ten-foot pole. My negative reaction to graphs and exponents is visceral.

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im a little confused. i wasnt replying to you or anybody. i was just suggesting a graph-based system, not necessarily based off of the graph i came up with. that was just an example. ;-;

[sky,]

I do like the idea of having tiers, but I think I'd separate them into one or two more tiers.

So we have our "List" Pets that're worth multiple "Gold Tier" pets.

But I think 09 VRs are still worth like 4 '10-11 Rares. So I'd add a "Platinum" tier.

So for me it'd be

List Pets - 08 Rares, what we're using the below tiers to value
Platinum Tier - Regular 08 Rares/VRs that aren't on the list. 09 Rares (an 09 VR would still be worth 2 '09r' in theoretical value. Even though not many 09r exist anymore.)
Gold Tier - 2010-2011 Rares Aka "Old Rares" the "standard" for list-pet trading. Mid OMGSR(Non Tier) is worth 50 "Old Rares", or "Gold Tier Rares"
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier

So then you have
"My pet is worth 10 Platinum Tier Pets or 20 Gold Tier Pets"

I think that whatever method we use, there needs to be a separation between 09 rares and 10-11 rares, whether we use the "Old Rares" valuation, or this 'Rares by Date Tier' system.
Imo, any system that values 09 rares at the same level as '10 or '11 rares wouldn't work for me.

So a "Platinum tier pet" is an 09 Rare. An 09 Very Rare, is still worth 2 09 Rares.

Meaning if someone says "My pet is worth 10 Platinum Tier pets" you could offer them 5 09 Very Rares or 10 09 regular rares, and it would be fair.

Similarly, if they say "My pet is worth 20 Gold Tier Pets" you could offer them 10 2010 -2011 Very Rares or 20 2010-2011 Regular Rares, and it would be fair.

With this valuation, I think 2:1 between Tiers can work, assuming that each tier only accounts for regular rares and not vrs.

So you can say, "My Gold Tier Rare is worth 2 Silver Tier Pets, 4 Bronze Tier Pets, or 8 Copper Tier pets" Which feels better since in my list, "Gold Tier" is only 2010-2011 and not inclusive of 2008 or 2009.

I would, probably take 8 Copper Tier pets for a 2010 or 2011 rare, in the event I'm not trying to trade up to higher value pets.

I like this idea a lot. I'm on board. I'm on mobile so I'll edit this post once I'm not c:

[SolarSonnet]

One thing I've noticed in people is that there tends to be two groups of us.

1: People who want to abolish the general term of "09 rare" as a value because all valuable 09 rares were turned into 09 VRs in the rarity update.

2: People who want to keep the term "09 Rare" as a quantifier. So an 09 VR is worth 2 09 Rares which makes 09 VRs worth 4 "Old Rares" if you're using +2, +2+1, or 2:1

I think it's rather nice that a lot of methods keep up with 2:1 up until later dates. Because an 09 ends up being 2 '10s or 4 '11s in quite a few methods, but where it starts to deviate is generally 2012. (And I think two people trading with two different methods like +2 and 2:1, could probably settle on 7 if they're willing to discuss the trade.)

For people who want to abolish the terminology of an 09 Rare:
What are 09 VRs worth to you? How do you suggest we value them due to the near total extermination of the "09 Rare" as a pet?

For people who want to keep the valuation as a terminology (kind of like a 'non', when referring to pets that are not nons)
I fully understand that and am in the same boat.. But for the sake of asking a question:

Why do you feel that way about it?


Personally, I think its important to keep it as a terminology right now while there are still some 09 rares out there. Especially because in this transition, we're already figuring out how to re-value everything and revamp the trading system. We don't need an "09 VR" tier in our list.

For everyone:
How much is an 09 Very Rare worth to you in 'List' Pet and Old Rare trades?


For me:

According to Horror's revamp suggestion here a new non-tier pet (mid omgsr) = 25 VRs = 50 Old Rares. I contacted Horror in PMs and got clarification that what Horror meant by "25 Very Rares" is Old Rares that are Very Rare and not 09 VRs

And according to +2, +2+1, 2:1, and the new graph I've made here..

09 R = 2 2010 R = 4 2011 R
So that puts an 09 VR at 4 2010 rares or 8 2011 rares.

If an 09 Very Rare is worth 4-8 Old Rares.. Then that puts them at even swaps somewhere between the Lower and Higher ER tier.
Idk how thought-through this was in terms of where 09 Very Rares actually stand.

It also would mean that, if a non is worth 50 Old Rares now, that you'd only need 6.25-12.5 09 Very Rares to get your hands on a non, which is a far shot from the 100-150 09 Rares you used to need!

I'm rather neutral on this stance. It makes old trades of bulk 09s for list pets look highly unfair, but also makes it a lot easier for people to trade up to older pets. Basically, a trade for a non with this new system will look a lot like trades for 1-1.5 Mid-Advents looked like before with the majority of 09 very rares having been 09 rares at the time of those trades.

[Miladux]

One thing I've noticed in people is that there tends to be two groups of us.

1: People who want to abolish the general term of "09 rare" as a value because all valuable 09 rares were turned into 09 VRs in the rarity update.

2: People who want to keep the term "09 Rare" as a quantifier. So an 09 VR is worth 2 09 Rares which makes 09 VRs worth 4 "Old Rares" if you're using +2, +2+1, or 2:1

I think it's rather nice that a lot of methods keep up with 2:1 up until later dates. Because an 09 ends up being 2 '10s or 4 '11s in quite a few methods, but where it starts to deviate is generally 2012. (And I think two people trading with two different methods like +2 and 2:1, could probably settle on 7 if they're willing to discuss the trade.)

For people who want to abolish the terminology of an 09 Rare:
What are 09 VRs worth to you? How do you suggest we value them due to the near total extermination of the "09 Rare" as a pet?

For people who want to keep the valuation as a terminology (kind of like a 'non', when referring to pets that are not nons)
I fully understand that and am in the same boat.. But for the sake of asking a question:

Why do you feel that way about it?


Personally, I think its important to keep it as a terminology right now while there are still some 09 rares out there. Especially because in this transition, we're already figuring out how to re-value everything and revamp the trading system. We don't need an "09 VR" tier in our list.

For everyone:
How much is an 09 Very Rare worth to you in 'List' Pet and Old Rare trades?


For me:

According to Horror's revamp suggestion here a new non-tier pet (mid omgsr) = 25 VRs = 50 Old Rares. I contacted Horror in PMs and got clarification that what Horror meant by "25 Very Rares" is Old Rares that are Very Rare and not 09 VRs

And according to +2, +2+1, 2:1, and the new graph I've made here..

09 R = 2 2010 R = 4 2011 R
So that puts an 09 VR at 4 2010 rares or 8 2011 rares.

If an 09 Very Rare is worth 4-8 Old Rares.. Then that puts them at even swaps somewhere between the Lower and Higher ER tier.
Idk how thought-through this was in terms of where 09 Very Rares actually stand.

It also would mean that, if a non is worth 50 Old Rares now, that you'd only need 6.25-12.5 09 Very Rares to get your hands on a non, which is a far shot from the 100-150 09 Rares you used to need!

I'm rather neutral on this stance. It makes old trades of bulk 09s for list pets look highly unfair, but also makes it a lot easier for people to trade up to older pets. Basically, a trade for a non with this new system will look a lot like trades for 1-1.5 Mid-Advents looked like before with the majority of 09 very rares having been 09 rares at the time of those trades.

I think a point you are missing is that the vast majority of players don't want to have to do increasingly complex and convoluted math for every single trade. I understand from your prior posts that you enjoy the math aspect and the numbers because it gives you control.

But for myself and alot of people, whether senior or new, the current system is overly complex, and not easily accessible. It needs simplifying if anything. Most of us when we sit down to trade, whether a list trade or low rarity trade, don't want to have to cross reference a bunch of threads, do a bunch of calculations, and then check the FTT for one trade. Its a exorbitant amount of work that has taken away the fun and accessibility of the game.

While some people like the current system, there is a huge majority of people who don't understand it, or have out right stopped playing or trading because of how convoluted it is.