*DISCONTINUED* Rares List Guide (1 March 2019)

[Banana.]

I have two questions

So I’m awful at knowing my list values. Rarity wise, could I use chicken dollar value of the pets in a trade to figure out if it’s fair?

Like say someone was trading for a list of mine and they sent a quantity of lists. If I added up their chicken dollar value and it was the same as my lists value, would it work? Because I thought it would and I was going advice on the FTT and maybe my math was wrong, but somwone replied before me and I was extremely off (of course assuming they were right also) by how much the other side was underpaying.

Second question

Could anything ever get bumped off the list? (This doesn’t really have to do with anything I’m just curious lol)

[opalineteardrops]

I have two questions

So I’m awful at knowing my list values. Rarity wise, could I use chicken dollar value of the pets in a trade to figure out if it’s fair?

Like say someone was trading for a list of mine and they sent a quantity of lists. If I added up their chicken dollar value and it was the same as my lists value, would it work? Because I thought it would and I was going advice on the FTT and maybe my math was wrong, but somwone replied before me and I was extremely off (of course assuming they were right also) by how much the other side was underpaying.

Second question

Could anything ever get bumped off the list? (This doesn’t really have to do with anything I’m just curious lol)

No, you cant - this is stated on the c$ thread - when trading pets for c$, you need to trade for them individually - you cant add their values for the c$ cost because the c$ cost doesnt always equality the Rare's List value.

Example: Sunjewel costs 2000C$
09 rare cost 40
But
50 '09 rares /=/ Sunjewel

And theoretically I'd imagine yes, but there has been VR list pets turned R in the past and havent been bumped off, so I think it's extremely unlikely to happen (I remember happened once - a pet going from VR to R? My memory's a bit spotty though - can someone back me up?)

[Banana.]

I have two questions

So I’m awful at knowing my list values. Rarity wise, could I use chicken dollar value of the pets in a trade to figure out if it’s fair?

Like say someone was trading for a list of mine and they sent a quantity of lists. If I added up their chicken dollar value and it was the same as my lists value, would it work? Because I thought it would and I was going advice on the FTT and maybe my math was wrong, but somwone replied before me and I was extremely off (of course assuming they were right also) by how much the other side was underpaying.

Second question

Could anything ever get bumped off the list? (This doesn’t really have to do with anything I’m just curious lol)

No, you cant - this is stated on the c$ thread - when trading pets for c$, you need to trade for them individually - you cant add their values for the c$ cost because the c$ cost doesnt always equality the Rare's List value.

Example: Sunjewel costs 2000C$
09 rare cost 40
But
50 '09 rares /=/ Sunjewel

And theoretically I'd imagine yes, but there has been VR list pets turned R in the past and havent been bumped off, so I think it's extremely unlikely to happen (I remember happened once - a pet going from VR to R? My memory's a bit spotty though - can someone back me up?)

Okay thank you so much (:

[nickjr]

I have two questions

So I’m awful at knowing my list values. Rarity wise, could I use chicken dollar value of the pets in a trade to figure out if it’s fair?

Like say someone was trading for a list of mine and they sent a quantity of lists. If I added up their chicken dollar value and it was the same as my lists value, would it work? Because I thought it would and I was going advice on the FTT and maybe my math was wrong, but somwone replied before me and I was extremely off (of course assuming they were right also) by how much the other side was underpaying.

Second question

Could anything ever get bumped off the list? (This doesn’t really have to do with anything I’m just curious lol)

1)

So you bring up a very good question that many of us, including active traders and older users, have been questioning and trying to wrap out heads around.

The short answer: With the way pets are currently valued in C$, no, you can't add up pets like that to figure out if the trade is fair.

The long answer: Because the values on the List grow exponentially, C$ values for pets are a smaller and smaller percentage of their "full" C$ value (what you'd get when doing math using their value in some kind of base unit like 09 rares or mid advents) so that people can realistically afford the pets. Otherwise we'd have the Sunjewel at like several thousand C$ or something.

Something like that.

(This might be tapping into a bigger issue: WHAT is going on with the pet values on this List?? Why are they growing exponentially????? Sure, maybe CS grew exponentially in its first months, but it's still a little scary. Hopefully when we get the numbers from the Rarity List we can have something that's more linear than exponential. Although if it really is exponential.........)


2) Technically yes, a pet can get bumped off the List. This happened to the VR Tess St. Patrick's Day 2011 dragon, which was originally on the List because:
1. it was believed that it was almost rare enough to get onto the List by its rarity alone,
2. there was at least one major hoarder reducing the supply of those dragons when it was placed,
3. the hoarder(s) later decided to disband the hoard, thus making the dragon's supply "normal" instead of low enough to bump the dragon onto the List.

Aside from pets that were badly misplaced in the first place and maybe an accident with rerelease %s (the latter will probably never happen), anything that's on the Main and September Lists are rare enough to be on the List from rarity alone, so even if they have absolutely atrocious demand or if no one is keeping them, then they will never ever be kicked off the List. This also applies to most of the pets on the Advent List, but there are a few Advent List pets that can't be on the List by rarity alone and are only on the List because of incredibly high demand or incredibly low supply or some other factor (think of it as their rarity placing them below the List and then big demand pushing them up the List from there, for example).

[Banana.]

That was a pretty large post so I’m not going to quote it,
But thank you so much!!! That was really helpful (:

[lucky333123]

quick question; does this mean we will have to redo the malk and the unicorn? Just curious if they will be back into this OMGSR segment we are doing

I believe we are planning on redoing both of them?

I think we are also doing those that fluctuate between OMGSR and VR too like the Bengal.

I agree with working on the UR Foal poll. Then we can go talk about removing the name big gap and alphabetizing.

I think having it all the way up to Sunjewel is fine. For the wording of the I don’t know option, the post that should be linked to it should state every reason from being I just want to vote to I don’t care to I don’t understand. We we create the overall post, we should make sure that it is understandable to those that do not understand the list.

[ElementalInsanity]

I still think the easiest option for the "idk" if we really want it to be a not included vote is "I just wanted to vote". Then no explanation needed.

If so, all we need now is a master post of the tiers and date and rarity changes that's in depth like was suggested and then for the foal itself and we can get the poll up and running?

[Mozzy.]

Let me know if I missed anything!

current omg so rare
current Very Rare

UR Foal release December 18th 2015
omg so rare January 2016
No noted change since

Poll Options:

Sunjewel [omg so rare August 2011] [VR January 2012] [omg so rare February 2012] [omg so rare after overhaul]
UR Tiger Dog [omg so rare June 2011] [omg so rare after overhaul]

Moonswirl [omg so rare November 2011] [VR January 2013] [omg so rare March 2013]

UR B-Wolf [omg so rare June 2010] [VR December 2010] [omg so rare May 2011] [omg so rare after overhaul]

Plains Zebra & Grevy's Zebra [omg so rare after overhaul]

Mountain Zebra [omg on release, down to VR Dec 2010, up to OMG Jan 2011, down to VR Feb 2018]
Dogtag [omg so rare December 17th 2011] [VR December 20th 2011] [omg so rare after overhaul]

UR Cat [omg so rare on release, VR after 2009 rerelease] [omg so rare November 2010] [VR December 24th 2010] [omg so rare August 2011] [VR January 2012] [omg so rare after overhaul]

UR Banana [omg so rare on release] [VR January 2012] [omg so rare February 2012] [omg so rare after overhaul]
UR Cucumber [omg so rare January 2012] [omg so rare after overhaul] [VR February 2015]

July PPS [omg so rare July 2012] [omg so rare after overhaul]
Coontail [omg so rare July 2013] [VR August 2014] [omg so rare March 2016] [VR February 2017]

UR Aussie [omg so rare on release] [VR July 2014]
UR Phoenix [omg so rare April 2014]

I just want to vote

[DaDwarf]

Looks good moz! But id remove all the things before the 2012 overhaul because those changes arent correct anymore with the current rarity system right? So it seems like unneeded info

[ElementalInsanity]

Looks really awesome Mozzy thank you so much.

Yeah I’d agree, the rarity before the overhaul might also confuse people if it doesn’t apply to now. =)