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Should we update the horses & ponies from 2009-2010 so they match the current lines?

YES!
1866
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NO!
1200
34%
Maybe (I don't mind either way)
432
12%
Unsure (I didn't understand exactly what will be changed)
68
2%
 
Total votes : 3566

Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby FelisUrbanus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:50 am

Hmm, I should say something about this. I'll try to be civil and straightforward xD

So. This Equine Transformation project. Hmm.

I like the examples that Tess has given of transformed horses BUT. And this is a very big BUT:

1) I really like the original Equimagine linearts. The horses look like racehorses, I haven't traded so much to get the old linearts to complete my own Racehorse Project just to see all that effort torn to shreds! And because I will not like the transformed horses, I will want to trade them, and of course no-one (I do purposefully use a generic term here, dramatizing a bit) will want them because I was one of the few active users/traders who actually collected horses to start with. Don't get me wrong, I like the new Yulynh linearts too; but I don't like them for the same reason; I didn't make a 5000 Yulynh horse hoard on one hand and a Racehorse Project with the old Equimagine linearts on the other hand for nothing!

2) The original Equimagine ponies look like nice cute welsh/connemara ponies, and that's what I love about them! And the new Yulynh ponies are just as cute, but they are more generic and Shetland/Chincoteague horses, and that's what I love about /them/. I love the fact that I can have two pony breeds/types. I also made nice project groups according to his fact. If the old ponies are all converted to Yulynh ponies, that will be like a betrayal - why want to destroy the difference? Do people hate Welsh ponies that much?

3) There are a few horse and pony designs that Equimagine had made that find quite a few resemblances with the current Yulynh ponies; I take for example the Rockstar/Rave-ish Equimagine ponies from '09, who if converted would look darn well too much like Yulynh's own Rave or even the "rainbow against black" ponies. I wouldn't want to have three times the same-looking litter!

4) I am sure that other user will recognize themselves here. When the Equimagine unicorns came out, I hoarded them, one of my very first hoards if not the first. I hoarded them because I liked them; and maybe I will also like the Transformed versions, but they will no longer be the pets I had first hoarded, as if they had a new soul - the old soul gone to the void, let the new soul take over. I'm not sure if anyone gets my meaning xD It would be a bit of the same with all the other old Equimagine horses, no?

5) As for the draft horses... Example: I really can't see the appeal of my '10 Easter bunny-draft turned into anything else than what it already is; the beauty of that draft horse is its design and /lineart/, and changing that would make me wonder what the point of Equimagine's efforts was in the first place.

6) The CS economy. It is there, it exists. Some are dissatisfied with it at the moment. But (no matter how few!) users who really, really like the old linearts and want to collect them, maybe even hoarded them, suddenly finding their old beloved linearts transformed into the new Yulynh ones which they potentially don't like at all, and thus would try to trade away, and then we would have all sorts of rare potentially unwanted horses flooding the CS market, sitting in trade groups, etc, simply heightening the sense of dissatisfaction and the frustration of traders.

7) Sure, it would be nice sometimes to dress my Equimagine Racehorse with a hood from the Medieval Faire horse accessories only compatible with Yulynh horses, but I would in no way want anyone to change the Equimagine lineart for all of that! Just as in real life I would like to dress my horse with a one of those cute shiny colorful horse halters or with a nice new Dressage saddle, but the fact is that my horse is a half-draft, and yet I would not sell him simply because it's harder to find the right tack for him, I would prefer to ride him bareback than sell him and get another normal-sized horse with the same bay coloring (aka not dress up my Equimagine horse at all rather than dress up a compatible-lineart yulynh horse with the same coloration).




This out of my system, I also must make some other points, to be in all sincerity: I really don't like the second Equimagine horse linearts. If those were converted to Yulynh horse linearts I wouldn't mind, and quite prefer it. But for *looks for proper non-explicit deity* Totoro's sake, PLEASE do NOT convert the original Equimagine horse and pony linearts, nor the unicorns! I would be simply disgusted to see the destruction of that art. Because it would be like destroying art, CS is an art/design trading website in a way, and seeing these artworks being erased would be like witnessing half the collection at my National Arts Museum being burned on a bonfire because some museum director found that there were too many different types of art/collections. To continue the metaphor, I must admit that I find that the most recent $2million acquisition of my museum is a complete waste of money and I really don't like the paiting, but is that a reason to repaint it different colors or throw it in the garbage bin? Some people like contemporary art, I don't; some people don't like the old Equimagine horses, I do. A lot.

Maybe it's all rather sentimental for a bunch of pixels; perhaps I'm also being rather sentimental towards that Gauguin or that Picasso although they are just a bunch of pigments, canvas and oil base, after all.





I understand that there is difficulty with item conversion and compatibility. How about this: those items that don't fit PPS dogs whent hey do the adults, or house cats when they do the Warrior cats, or Malk Dogs when they don't fit Malk Wolves, are those a reason to make all same-species linearts uniform? Dress-up users often don't even use dog-compatible items to dress dogs up (for example the Store Unicorn Sets' manes isntead of wigs), or use dog-exclusive items to dress, say, chicks, and that doesn't bother them much, in fact the creativity of the sport is the important part of dressing up. I don't ask nor expect that the CS staff convert every single item to be compatible with all the different types of horse linearts! They have a life too xD




Whoa, very long. Thanks to anyone who reads this, and I hope that I haven't offended anyone :?
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby Grand Duchess » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:52 am

cynical.mind wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't think so. I find it unfair that your linearts stay, and Malk's stay, but the Equimagine lines get changed? Yeah, yours sets it apart, okay. In my opinion, so does theirs. I like the old lines, and I don't think that we should change anything about them.

We are not planning on having the "Tess horses" and "Malk Drafts" updated, since those lines were always considered separate from the standard monthly "horse and pony" releases and are intentionally unique.


Its not fair to compare Tess and Malk stuff to this.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby val velocity » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:52 am


would owners of pets from the line art from 09'
and 10' experience change in that ? or would
they get the same horse , just different line art ?
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby Mario » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:52 am

In my opinion, having the old Equimagine designs on new linearts instead for some reason makes me feel like their rarities have dropped. They seem more rare to be on the old linearts.

I do like the new drafts, though.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby Rouzani » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:52 am

rly
I think equi's signature should stay on there for design credit. Or something like "equimagine + Yulynh" in the Archives
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby Hekomi » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:53 am

valkyrie . wrote:

would owners of pets from the line art from 09'
and 10' experience change in that ? or would
they get the same horse , just different line art ?

Same horse, the image would just be updated. ^^
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby ShrimpSundae » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:53 am

I like the idea of updating the old linearts personally.

It'd make your groups look more organized (which since I'm neat and always organizing things I'd love that), and I'd think it'd be cool to see the old designs on the newer lines. I also like the newer linearts better anyways, I've always thought it'd be cool to update them. I'm totally all in for this change, I love this idea. c:


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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby amithethird » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:54 am

I think this is a good idea. :) I agree with the people who say that change isn't a bad thing. This will garner new interest in old designs and old pets. It's good to do a bit of "house cleaning" and spruce things up. Equimage isn't really doing much any more in the way of pet creation and new items are coming out all the time that we can't use on the old horses because they're different. I really think this'll be good for CS. After all, we all adjusted just fine to Malk changing the lines for her creations. I think everyone will adjust to this after they get used to it.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby Shenan_the_cat » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:54 am

Gosh, this is a hard thing to decide I think the re-doings of the designs are great but I think it would take away some of the older horses and ponies value as some people mainly want them for the lines. *clicks maybe* I'll go with what ever the majority chooses.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project

Postby lillylove90 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:54 am

No! I'm sorry- But I love all the linearts! I like them because they're different, and I love the little ponies! It's also not exactly fair to the line artist (equimagine) Why do her lines have to be erased- and no one else's? That's just really unfair, and I'm sure that there are plenty of people on this site who haven't seen this topic yet- but they agree with all of the people who say no! Some people might have just gotten their first equimagine pony (I was the happiest person in the world two years ago when I got mine) and suddenly, their pony wasn't special anymore- It just became like the other ones that they had just adopted. I would have been very sad if that had happened to me! And now I've fallen in love with my little ponies and horses! (The new draft lines actually look good) Please don't take our Equimagine horses away from us!
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