Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[Aperture]

Your point is valid.. However.. I disagree. I cannot look at the pictures and convict someone years later. I guarantee you there is a whole backstory to this thing that we don't know. Tess and some others prolly know about it. I may see the weapon.. but the person is still innocent until proven guilty. I need all of the facts to convict her and that takes more than just the pictures. That would take talking to the person or people she allegedly copied from.. and that is not gonna happen.

^^^^And what is more important than that.. I was not asked to be on the jury. Tess asked our opinion regarding uniformity.. and cleaner lines... not whether or not we should make Equie dissappear.

^^^^^Again.. I repeat. there is nothing wrong with deciding yes because you think she traced them.... and there is noting wrong with voting yes just simply to protect CS's reputation and PREVENT any future issues.. but it is wrong to vote becuz you have "proof" and you know it all ... when you dont.


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Whatever you do..don't become a judge, please.
So you're saying that there is obvious proof, but that doesn't matter at all?
Let's take that to the real world.
There is proof that a man killed someone. Obvious proof. However, you can't talk to him for some reason! Oh my, he must be innocent then! :O
How can you seriously ignore so much proof? I don't..i just don't get it.

[Grand Duchess]

This isn't people's "imaginations going wild', there is proof that at least ONE set of lines are traced, and you could make an argument for many more also being traced. One set of traced lines is bad enough.

I'm not an artist and I still take this very seriously. Not only is it the law, but it also makes CS more credible, and not hypocritical.

Also there are plenty of reasons to change them outside the line art issue.

Your point is valid.. However.. I disagree. I cannot look at the pictures and convict someone years later. I guarantee you there is a whole backstory to this thing that we don't know. Tess and some others prolly know about it. I may see the weapon.. but the person is still innocent until proven guilty. I need all of the facts to convict her and that takes more than just the pictures. That would take talking to the person or people she allegedly copied from.. and that is not gonna happen.

^^^^And what is more important than that.. I was not asked to be on the jury. Tess asked our opinion regarding uniformity.. and cleaner lines... not whether or not we should make Equie dissappear.

^^^^^Again.. I repeat. there is nothing wrong with deciding yes because you think she traced them.... and there is noting wrong with voting yes just simply to protect CS's reputation and PREVENT any future issues.. but it is wrong to vote becuz you have "proof" and you know it all ... when you dont.

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I didn't say I 'know it all' but there is a confirmed tracing - the foal art, and that's enough for me. You have the right to your opinion, but please don't make it out like I'm acting like I know everything or am trying to be superior. I find it insulting because that is not at all my goal. I'm trying to explain and make people aware of the issues.

[arcticwolf]

This isn't really a matter of preference, its a matter of whats LEGAL. Its one thing if they were changing them just for the uniformity but the lines didn't have such a shady past and negative attachments, but this isn't that world. This is the world where lines were traced, and we need to fix it before DMCA comes in and makes them red x's for us or whatever else may happen.

Opinions are good, but in this case, its not much of an 'opinion' issue as a 'what's legal' one.

Your opinion is not superior to theirs because yours is legally right.
Not everyone understands copyright laws and that's a fact that is never going to change. If someone insists that it's okay, let them. There are more definite "yes" votes than any others, so I don't see why it's a problem that some people don't agree.

[Atwood]

Be nice, everyone. Some people are only on the site for the equimagine horses specifically, because those are the pets they prefer by far and the others are simply collected for the sake of trading. If the equimagine lines were changed to ones they didn't like, they'd have no further reason to stay and may very well simply lose interest and leave, which is entirely valid. It's not a matter of "they didn't win" or anything like that, simply that the thing they were here for has ceased to exist.

Going with a completely different example, if the RP boards were shut down, there'd probably be a lot of people angry and upset and who would leave because they were only here for the RPs. It's not that they aren't 'mature enough to accept change' or 'stomping their feet because they lost', it's just they have no other strong reason for being on the site. When the thing they enjoyed most and stayed for isn't there anymore, it's entirely reasonable for them to move on if they feel like it. I hope that they wouldn't quit, but if they did, all the best to them. :3

[Grand Duchess]

I'm with dawn on this. How exactly am I immature simply because I started out on this site with equi ponies/horses? How am I immature because I adore the designs how they are? How am I immature because I want them to stay?

You may not agree with us, but don't go insulting us. We respect your opinion; show us the same favor.

You aren't immature for liking the lines, but they are stolen. This, again, ISN'T an opinion matter its a LEGAL one.

[sapiosexual]

If the roleplaying boards were dropped, it's be just like FooPets. Most people were there for the roleplaying boards, and to be honest, I was as well. I then migrated to Chicken Smoothie; truthfully, I'd be very upset if we also lost the rp forums.

[Radiation King]

The fact is, her art was heavily referenced/traced/stolen/whatever and people who want to keep it around because they like it are just pitting their opinion against a hard rule. When something has to change because it is against the rules of a site (or the law even), it should be changed. In this case, everyone who is against it needs to grow up and be mature about it.

Not trying to offend anyone here, but I've seen people on both sides of the argument being very immature about this. I've also seen some very rude comments about people on either side.
For example, just because some might like equimagine's lineart better and voted no, that doesn't mean they support art theft! I mean really, I don't think it's fair that people are accusing others of stuff like that when it isn't true.
Just like I've seen people on the side of not changing the linearts claim that the ones who do want the linearts changed "aren't thinking of other people's feelings." In some cases people don't consider both sides of the argument, but usually they do before they vote.

I think we could perhaps keep our debates a little more peaceful instead of slinging rude comments back and forth... I know some people might get a little angry about this but that doesn't make it impossible to at least try to think before you speak. (Or in this case, post)

[butcherbaby]

Although bringing up the tracing topic is like beating a dead horse by now (Pun intended) I will say that Tess should remove the Equimagine lines regardless of the outcome. It would be a perfect opportunity to lead by example. I believe people will take art theft more seriously if a former staff member is made an example of. Something so drastic would definitely make an impact on those that take part in art theft or those that may consider taking part in it.

I believe that, no matter what happens, very few people will leave CS should things change. It's pretty addicting. Initially, that was my main concern. "How many people are going to quit because of this?"

I feel that, should the project be accepted, two things should happen.
1) Both Yulynh and Equimagines names should be tagged on the re-colored horses.
2.) The re-colors should have some quirk in their design that denotes them as former Equimagine horses and gives them that dash of uniqueness.

If this doesn't make everyone happy, nothing is going to.

IAWTC

I really think Tess should just lock this topic and make the changes she needs to make. People are notoriously resistant to change, even when it's something like the Equi horses that were not very popular *before* this vote came up. Now people loooove them? What a load of manure.

[soupalicious]

Be nice, everyone. Some people are only on the site for the equimagine horses specifically, because those are the pets they prefer by far and the others are simply collected for the sake of trading. If the equimagine lines were changed to ones they didn't like, they'd have no further reason to stay and may very well simply lose interest and leave, which is entirely valid. It's not a matter of "they didn't win" or anything like that, simply that the thing they were here for has ceased to exist.

Going with a completely different example, if the RP boards were shut down, there'd probably be a lot of people angry and upset and who would leave because they were only here for the RPs. It's not that they aren't 'mature enough to accept change' or 'stomping their feet because they lost', it's just they have no other strong reason for being on the site. When the thing they enjoyed most and stayed for isn't there anymore, it's entirely reasonable for them to move on if they feel like it. I hope that they wouldn't quit, but if they did, all the best to them. :3

If someone could trace an entire roleplaying board, I'd probably be more shocked and impressed than angry. *runs from flames*

[van]

Your point is valid.. However.. I disagree. I cannot look at the pictures and convict someone years later. I guarantee you there is a whole backstory to this thing that we don't know. Tess and some others prolly know about it. I may see the weapon.. but the person is still innocent until proven guilty. I need all of the facts to convict her and that takes more than just the pictures. That would take talking to the person or people she allegedly copied from.. and that is not gonna happen.

^^^^And what is more important than that.. I was not asked to be on the jury. Tess asked our opinion regarding uniformity.. and cleaner lines... not whether or not we should make Equie dissappear.

^^^^^Again.. I repeat. there is nothing wrong with deciding yes because you think she traced them.... and there is noting wrong with voting yes just simply to protect CS's reputation and PREVENT any future issues.. but it is wrong to vote becuz you have "proof" and you know it all ... when you dont.

and with the DMCA, you're guilty unless proven innocent.
the owners of the photos have already been contacted, and shutterstock did express their concerns and stated they're looking into the issue [not trying to cause panic - but as stated a few pages ago, it wasn't simply the mandatory email]. however, i believe the worst they'll do is contact tess about it rather than actually filing a complaint - it could happen, though. and even if it doesn't, that doesn't make it right.