New Rule: DNI (Do Not Interact) Lists are Banned

[ellebee]

If you are unable to update your settings to turn off DMs for some reason I don’t think we would have a problem with “please don’t message me” on a discord status. However, I do think it’s important to use the settings available to you and not just rely on people seeing and/or obeying your request.

Alright, thank you for your answer!

[Lanayru]

If you are unable to update your settings to turn off DMs for some reason I don’t think we would have a problem with “please don’t message me” on a discord status. However, I do think it’s important to use the settings available to you and not just rely on people seeing and/or obeying your request.

Issue is Discord as a whole isn't a single entity like the forum here is - I fully welcome DMs from some servers but not from random users from other servers, personally. I don't think using "no DMs/ask to DM" should fall anywhere under the new DNI rule when the two are fundamentally different.

[Sa⸸an]

Please note I wrote this like 4 hours ago and didn't send it until now. If someone addressed this just reply with what's was said pls, don't tell me someone already addressed or assume I know about that what was already addressed.

What about Toyhouse TW feature that's basically a DNI if you have this trigger because this character and or account may have triggering stuff on it? Many users use it as a DNI list in a sort of way even if not for themselves for potential veiwers to decide if they want to interact with that account and or OC or not.

Like Toyhouse encourages users to do this heavily, it's literally against their rules not to do this. If an account or character has NSFW or triggering topics mentioned or focused you HAVE to have this "DNI if you have these triggers", if not you can get reported and potentially banned from the site.

And by encourage, you need to have your stuff tagged as NSFW as well as some explanation why, even stuff like has a weapon or self harm or something simialr HAS to be tagged and it's often encouraged to further state why in a pop up TW/DNI if you are triggered by... thing.

A TW warning list can also be with the right wording, be twisted into a DNI, as a DNI can be as simple as "Do Not Interact if You have these Triggers" or as complex as "Do Not Interact if Your Homophobic, Ani-Xenogenders, Talk about this NSFW or potentially triggering topic a lot etc"

No wait, they are literally the same thing. A DNI list doesn't have to include the acronym "DNI" or the words "Do Not Interact" A trigger warning list is literally a don't not interact I don't want YOU getting triggered. Not all DNIs are about the person who made them own triggers, a DNI can be used as warning for people who want to avoid controversial topics that often reek of drama or triggering mentions, or just triggering subjects in general.

To exclude trigger warning lists as a form of DNI list is literally giving a way to scoot of around the rules and technically break them with out breaking them, or just something that logic wise is gonna get brought up later. I rather CS be strict and rigid about what is and isn't rule breaking.

I wanted to bring this up because it's a site often linked to CS for OC trading and selling. Users will often sell/buy characters for art for characters for CS pets, items and c$. And whether or not CS mods realized it when they coined the rule, there is a very important rule clash to bring attention to. Something that not doing can get you punished, is considered a punishable offense for doing.

I think before the rule is fully implemented, this needs to be addressed if it hasn't be addressed already. And asap, because I have TW/DNI on my Toyhouse, I have reclaimed slurs on my Toyhouse, I would like to warn people they might be better off not interacting with me if they triggered by anything mentioned or dislike I used reclaimed slurs I myself can claim. I do not want to be punished two for one because it was deemed against the CS rules for a connected account to have a DNI of any kind, only to just punished for complying to CS rules.

Some people literally use TW as a DNI with ME list, and some will strait up say DNI Interact if my content triggers you. You can't really ban one and punish offsite actions without addressing the other.

[Disgustedorite]

If you are unable to update your settings to turn off DMs for some reason I don’t think we would have a problem with “please don’t message me” on a discord status. However, I do think it’s important to use the settings available to you and not just rely on people seeing and/or obeying your request.

Issue is Discord as a whole isn't a single entity like the forum here is - I fully welcome DMs from some servers but not from random users from other servers, personally. I don't think using "no DMs/ask to DM" should fall anywhere under the new DNI rule when the two are fundamentally different.

Actually, you can change this per-server in privacy settings. It's in the dropdown from clicking/tapping the server name or right-clicking the server icon.

[Lanayru]

If you are unable to update your settings to turn off DMs for some reason I don’t think we would have a problem with “please don’t message me” on a discord status. However, I do think it’s important to use the settings available to you and not just rely on people seeing and/or obeying your request.

Issue is Discord as a whole isn't a single entity like the forum here is - I fully welcome DMs from some servers but not from random users from other servers, personally. I don't think using "no DMs/ask to DM" should fall anywhere under the new DNI rule when the two are fundamentally different.

Actually, you can change this per-server in privacy settings. It's in the dropdown from clicking/tapping the server name or right-clicking the server icon.

Point still stands imo, espes for those who are often fine w/ DMs but prefer others to ask first. I don't think this should be ruled under the DNI rule unless obviously used in that vein (e.g "ask to dm if you support x" which is just. rewording DNIs lol)

[Moth.Bunny]

Please note I wrote this like 4 hours ago and didn't send it until now. If someone addressed this just reply with what's was said pls, don't tell me someone already addressed or assume I know about that what was already addressed...

...Some people literally use TW as a DNI with ME list, and some will strait up say DNI Interact if my content triggers you. You can't really ban one and punish offsite actions without addressing the other.

I think there’s a huge difference here, and it’s obvious even in your own explanation; a TW is a warning. A DNI is a demand. It’s the difference between “hey, just a heads up, there’s [thing] on this page!” And “don’t talk to me if you don’t like [thing.]”

[Lacuna]

Saying “do not message me” (at all) is okay in your discord status, so further discussion is not needed. As for toyhou.se, it has always been against our rules to link to your toyhou.se if it contains content not allowed on CS, even behind warnings. Specific content/trigger warnings on an individual post or page are not the same as the DNI lists, but if the content you are warning for breaks CS rules you cannot link your toyhou.se or need to fully private those rule breaking characters.

[Sa⸸an]

Please note I wrote this like 4 hours ago and didn't send it until now. If someone addressed this just reply with what's was said pls, don't tell me someone already addressed or assume I know about that what was already addressed...

...Some people literally use TW as a DNI with ME list, and some will strait up say DNI Interact if my content triggers you. You can't really ban one and punish offsite actions without addressing the other.

I think there’s a huge difference here, and it’s obvious even in your own explanation; a TW is a warning. A DNI is a demand. It’s the difference between “hey, just a heads up, there’s [thing] on this page!” And “don’t talk to me if you don’t like [thing.]”

The problem is you can pass off a DNI as trigger list. A DNI is also a warning because of all the reasons CS is giving why their banning them.

As someone else said with the right wording a DNI can be passed off as anything else but a DNI, including a TW and even not seem so demanding. Also assuming all DNI are demands are ignoring that some people are not trying to make themselves seem like their DEMANDING to left alone, but rather suggesting it, and will acknowledge not everyone will read or even give their DNI the time of day.

Not everyone uses a DNI the same way, some do use them as TW for viewers and vice versa. I'm included as one of those people because I rather not be given flack, hustle or trouble because a person read it and assumed they'd be able to handle the content anyways.

A lot of circles I'm apart of dislike certain things like reclaiming slurs, usage of those slurs even if reclaimed, gore, bag of pigeon do not eat stuff, etc. I rather not have people interacting with me if they gonna get iffy and triggered about, one because I don't want to be held responsible for someone reading a TW/DNI warning of my content and then throwing a fit, and I don't want people unaware of that stuff in my content at all. I use my TW/DNI like advisory disclaimers sure, and I'm not the only one.

Not to mention just because you consider it to not be a TW doesn't mean someone will and probably can convince a mod that a TW is actually a DNI being passed off as a TW, it's possible, trust me.

[ShinjiIkariIrl]

honestly theres so many issues to this new rule, we have dni lists for a reason. we dont want anyone gross interacting with us, especially if they actively know how gross they are????

some of us (including myself!) have extreme anxiety, and some other mental illnesses that get in the way of things like this. ive gotten into multiple mental breakdowns just from someone on my dni list interacting with me, and just thinking about it just makes me feel like regurgitating.

not to mention some people (also including myself) have ptsd that makes it difficult to talk to people that fit into their dni lists!

I get this, I have PTSD/anxiety/bpd too with many triggers but if you read the reasons why they don't want DNIs on this site, you'll realize a ton of players are actually PRETTY young, and may not even understand what the dni is asking of them. Blocking is an extremely useful tool to basically DNI anybody you don't want to interact with you, as well as the settings option to disable photos and profile pictures so you are less likely to accidently come across something that can trigger you. Also the block button can keep out literally anybody you want and you do not have to justify or explain why you blocked.

[Sa⸸an]

honestly theres so many issues to this new rule, we have dni lists for a reason. we dont want anyone gross interacting with us, especially if they actively know how gross they are????

some of us (including myself!) have extreme anxiety, and some other mental illnesses that get in the way of things like this. ive gotten into multiple mental breakdowns just from someone on my dni list interacting with me, and just thinking about it just makes me feel like regurgitating.

not to mention some people (also including myself) have ptsd that makes it difficult to talk to people that fit into their dni lists!

I get this, I have PTSD/anxiety/bpd too with many triggers but if you read the reasons why they don't want DNIs on this site, you'll realize a ton of players are actually PRETTY young, and may not even understand what the dni is asking of them. Blocking is an extremely useful tool to basically DNI anybody you don't want to interact with you, as well as the settings option to disable photos and profile pictures so you are less likely to accidently come across something that can trigger you. Also the block button can keep out literally anybody you want and you do not have to justify or explain why you blocked.

Only thing I say to this is there are petty people who will ignore the fact you've blocked them and seek you on other accounts to bother you about CS stuff, like I've had it happen to be before.