We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

[Nico]

Four new categories, please.

Love the suggestion for same on items, too.

Thank you, much needed. 🙏

[Vilhelm]

i feel like 4+ new rarities is cluttering. commons feel slightly overshadowed in it, and "uncommon" has essentially become the new common is that graph. while yeah, it does add more distinction for rares, i feel like it just adds too much clutter than its worth.
it also would make the rares list more obsolete, which i suppose could be a good thing moving forward. but there will always be someone who clings onto it which will add more of a division in the trading community of those who follow the list and those who dont. it just makes it harder for people to trade when they dont follow the list

[ShadowHunteress]

I definitely don’t like the idea of four new categories. Adding one more or two I think would be better than adding four. It would be so confusing and very overwhelming, especially for new players and returning players. In my opinion, changing the rarities, and adding four new categories, isn’t going to change the way most people feel about list pets. Which I feel they’re trying to do. If they add four new categories, I feel like people might be happy at first, but then they will regret wanting it. The pet trading issue isn’t the rarity system. It’s demand pushing. The userbase could easily fix it themselves if they would stop overpricing pets. But that’s just my opinion! I’m not sure how much I would play if we got four new rarities, just because I know for me, it would be very, very overwhelming and make trading even more complicated.

Sadly demand is never going to change, nothing will fix that, getting rid of 'The List' didn't have much affect, people still use it now even, the player base could change, but, it is very unlikely to at this point.

I think what people forgot is a rare from '08 is the same rarity as a 2023 rare, they've both got roughly the same amount of pets in circulation, and adding more rarities will just make it more 'accurate'. From what I remember, Date doesn't matter much, older pets are just more rare due to the numbers of older users that have them that become 'inactive'.
The problem as well with why there is a discordence between 'older means rarer' is at the moment how 'large' the data group is. I know there used to be a thread that showed approx how much it would be but I am not sure it exists anymore. There of course is lots of things that go into it, but, hopefully with addming more rarities, people can focus less on worrying about dates, and more just the straight rarity.

[Pizzamuffin]

I definitely don’t like the idea of four new categories. Adding one more or two I think would be better than adding four. It would be so confusing and very overwhelming, especially for new players and returning players. In my opinion, changing the rarities, and adding four new categories, isn’t going to change the way most people feel about list pets. Which I feel they’re trying to do. If they add four new categories, I feel like people might be happy at first, but then they will regret wanting it. The pet trading issue isn’t the rarity system. It’s demand pushing. The userbase could easily fix it themselves if they would stop overpricing pets. But that’s just my opinion! I’m not sure how much I would play if we got four new rarities, just because I know for me, it would be very, very overwhelming and make trading even more complicated.

I completely agree with this! A lot of trading issues I've noticed aren't necessarily centered around the rarity of a pet, but the demand. It really just depends on how much value the community puts on a pet rather than its actual worth.

[Yomi Aino]

Even though the idea of adding four new rarities feels like a lot, I think in the end it will make trading easier. Becomes it will become more clear which pets are actually what rarity in a more specific way, I think it will do away with the "I have a feeling this rare is rarer than that other rare of the exact same event". And maybe it will even work that way with very rares and maybe the users can start doing away with convoluted rarity maths.

I use the rarity maths because it's the only thing I feel like I can use to try to make sense of rarities. But even with the rarity math I'm hesitant of trading uncommons for rares or rares for very rares because somehow I have a feeling that some of the rares are closed to uncommons and some of the rares are closed to very rares etc. So I hope adding four new rarities can help with this.

[FrostbitenRoses]

Looking at the charts I'm confused

Is there just as much omgsc as there are omgsr?

[walkswithfae]

I recently came back to the site after a very long hiatus (long enough that I don't even have the email that my old account was created on anymore) which is why I, a relatively new account feel like I can weigh in on this. It seems the problem with the current rarity system is that it's viewed as too confusing for a casual user and makes trading more difficult. Adding more rarities may help in the short term but there will always be pets that sit on the edge of one category and another. That won't fix the long term usability of the system. Adding more categories doesn't make for more clarity. It may seem more organized on the surface but once internal values (such as dogs and cats being more valued than ponies) start coming into play it makes the system even more complicated than before. As a collectible site, it's impossible to do away with rarity entirely and it's also impossible to make every pet of the same category equally valuable. We also need to take into consideration that for lack of better words casual and serious users of this site experience it differently and have different goals when it comes to collecting pets.

I think that in order to make the system more user friendly, more transparency about what gives each pet its rarity is needed. Maybe not a whole breakdown but a general guide. If year of birth doesn't matter to rarity then that should be stated, if rarity is only based on how many of that pet are in active circulation then that fact and how many of each individual needs to be in circulation for a certain rarity category is enough. It should be easily accessed by every member of the site for example, just being able to hover over the rarity bar and seeing "uncommon means there are x-y pets active". An option could also be adding a standardized system on each pet that allows a user to indicate how much value an individual pet has to them personally. Something like this is already implemented in naming, pet groups, and sometimes in trade rules but isn't consistent across users. These changes would show that old common pets and new common pets start at the same value and each individual pet can go up or down depending on each user's personal pet preference. It also doesn't add very much work for admins as pets don't need to be redistributed between current or new categories. Options that keep everything transparent and accessible would lower that barrier to entry for learning how trading works and keep it low for casual traders.

An alternative is to do away with the rarity categories and just state on each pet's page "There are x of this pet in circulation". That is more work intensive on the admin's side but it is the most bare bones way of conveying a pet's rarity that is easy to compare between pets and everyone can understand it without any guide. You could even keep the color coding and make it so if a pet has less that 1,000 individuals in circulation then it gets a red bar or star or other form of notation and if a pet has around 2,000 in circulation then it gets an orange notation, but then we're getting really close to what's happening with what I described above but without using words to name each category.

[tenor]

Looking at the charts I'm confused

Is there just as much omgsc as there are omgsr?

haha i think it's just the amount of individual pets that are omgsc - so there's prolly like 50 pets that are labeled as omgsc, and about 50 pets that are labeled as omgsr
does that makes sense?

[zoroark]

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The first solution I thought off was:
Don't count pets in groups which are locked from trading (not locked to friends only or to WL only) but specifically pets in groups where trading is disabled.
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While i understand the sentiment here, this is a really bad idea/suggestion. while im sure its unlikely that any one person could collect enough pets to totally change a pets rarity, im not sure it's totally out of the ballpark, especially with pets on the lower end of the rarity chart. i have seen hoarders with tens of thousands of pets- even hundreds, and while i dont think a majority of them would or could mass-delete enough copies to up a pets rarity, we cant assume everyone will play fair. and if that is implemented into the game, it really wouldn't be against the rules? the worst it would be is frowned upon, but it'd be a mechanic of the game. we should just stick to the active players = active pets regardless if theyre locked or not.

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Another variant of this idea, albeit one which I think would be a more radical change, is giving people the option to permanently remove their pets from the rarity calculation at the expense of making them untradable and locked to that individual account forever. Very rare pets locked to an account is not unheard of in pet collection games, indeed in CS special staff members get untradable custom pets just for them. I do think this option could cause problems, particularly with people changing their minds, although mind changing is something you live with when trading away a pet. If this became a feature I definitely think it should be one which is limited to only a certain amount of pets a month, and as such change would be a lot slower and smoother. There would also be less risk of randomly doing this to pets on a whim.
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im not as opposed to this idea, but a small note- custom cs pets arent untradeable. i do think it kind of goes against the whole point/philosophy of the trading game here.

[conarcoin]

Either way, I'm now hesitant to move any of my pets into groups because I'm considering redoing my organization system when the update comes XD