Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[Morticia]

Minimanta: so, by your reasoning (the fact that the artist doesn't lose the original work no matter what is taken), it is alright for one to copy a published book, to record a song identical to one previously published, to claim something as their own when it isn't, since the original artist loses nothing.
That is incredibly false.

Want to put my 2 cents about this in.

I think it's more like singing someone's song to friends, or reading a book allowed. There was no profit from it. Although it id wrong to trace, if the photo's owners have no problems with it (they have been asked, I don't know if any answers are in yet), I see nothing wrong with it. It would effectively be stock photo usage.

But this thread isn't about changing the lines because of art theft. It's about changing them for unity. So instead of adding to the 150 pages about art theft, lets change back to the correct topic and discuss unity.

/endtwocents

That's the thing though. CS is making a profit from this, even if it's indirectly. CS is a profit making site. There is a shop where people buy C$ using real money, and they make money from advertisements. No they don't make a profit directly from the traced lines, but the fact remains that the lines are part of the site and the site makes a profit. It's fine to use a reference if you credit the original artist for their work, but the artist claimed those lines as completely her own and no credit was given to the photographer.

[Obius]

Well while I am in LOVE with the new Draft Horse, I don't see why the most recent Yulinh Horses aren't being adjust either where consistency is concerned.

Let me explain this a bit further. When you see the Dogs, what do you see? If you said you only see Dogs you are wrong. If you said CARTOONS you are right! The Dogs by their very appearance are cartoon animals and have human like personality. Even the pony has some degree of this exaggeration (though rather minor). The horse however is the only one that clashes the most with nearly every other species on the site. The Tess Dragons are fantasy cartoons. The Tess Unicorns, Squids, Butterfly Wolves are also cartoons. Same with the Spiders, Rats, Cats, Foxes, Malk Wolves and Lions. But the Adult Yuly just seems to be out of place to me.

I would love it if they got more personality and more flexibility to be expressive like the way dogs and lions can be made to be via items (or just be drawn that way from the artist). You can dress them up to reflect your own mood or personality very easily. Its harder with a realistic looking animal. Because the expression is more limited. The new Draft already looks like he can be made to look happy, emphasize sadness, display anger, or even use other items that dogs and cats normally use. I'm sure this will probably never happen. But I wish it would for the sake of consistency. At the very least I'll enjoy the new draft horse. Imagine the artists making wings on that behemoth!

Wassap

[Planet Karma]

Don't pick a fight.

This thread is chaos ;-; The tracing deal has been repeated several times. Can't we just come up with solutions instead?

I don't think everyone is capable of getting along and coming up with a real solution. Until people stop being snarky and behaving like children, nothing will get accomplished.


I do believe that a tweak to the Yulynh line art should be good enough. Possibly a longer main and tail or more movement in the legs. You wouldn't be able to use the horse stockings, but beggars can't be choosers.

I'm sure if they change the lines into something a little different than the Yulynh they'd still change the items to fit like they said would happen :3

[BassNectar]

I'm completely for this. Absolutely, 100%.
I never liked equi's lines and I thought her designs were sloppy half the time.
Just look at the samples, they look way better!
Not even going to start on the tracing thing, I was around when that all went down in the beginning :

This should have been done a long time ago.

[~Tornado~]

Can we settle this nicely this fighting is breaking my heart

[Harpalyce]

Even if you believe that it's "not really bad", keep in mind that CS holds its users to standards that equimagine's lineart fails. This means that if she had done the same thing on the oekaki, the oekaki would have been taken down.

If nothing else, moral argument aside, I think it is only fair that we use the same rules for all of the site. Hence why I think changing the lineart now is the perfect solution.

[wibeke]

But the suggestion they made was to still have it on the Yulynh lineart just with some simple edit, that just doesnt make it work. They need to be put on some lineart that is running, standing, jumping, I dont really care just something that is TOTALLY different form teh yulynh lineart. Otherwise they will be just like all of the rest and I dont think it would be fair to strip them of the differentness.

Well, I tried. =P
Tracing aside, part of the reason that this project came about in the first place is that they want consistency within the horse lines. we currently have three sets or regular horse adopts- the yulynh lines, the old equi lines, and the updated equi lines. This makes it difficult to fit items to the horses- items made to fit Yulynh's horses will not fit equi's and vice versa.
I'm sorry that you want them to e completely unique, but working within the conformity issue, this is the best solution I can come up with. Making entirely different Equi lines would completely defeat the purpose of changing in the first place.

I'm sorry that you're so dead set on keeping the lines unique, but you need to be open to compromise and realize that not everyone will have the same opinion as you do.
I'm happy that you're willing to let the lines change if they remain unique, though. That's a good start and I hope at some point a solution will be found that pleases as many people as possible.

[Muggafinn]

Well while I am in LOVE with the new Draft Horse, I don't see why the most recent Yulinh Horses aren't being adjust either where consistency is concerned.

Let me explain this a bit further. When you see the Dogs, what do you see? If you said you only see Dogs you are wrong. If you said CARTOONS you are right! The Dogs by their very appearance are cartoon animals and have human like personality. Even the pony has some degree of this exaggeration (though rather minor). The horse however is the only one that clashes the most with nearly every other species on the site. The Tess Dragons are fantasy cartoons. The Tess Unicorns, Squids, Butterfly Wolves are also cartoons. Same with the Spiders, Rats, Cats, Foxes, Malk Wolves and Lions. But the Adult Yuly just seems to be out of place to me.

I would love it if they got more personality and more flexibility to be expressive like the way dogs and lions can be made to be via items (or just be drawn that way from the artist). You can dress them up to reflect your own mood or personality very easily. Its harder with a realistic looking animal. Because the expression is more limited. The new Draft already looks like he can be made to look happy, emphasize sadness, display anger, or even use other items that dogs and cats normally use. I'm sure this will probably never happen. But I wish it would for the sake of consistency. At the very least I'll enjoy the new draft horse. Imagine the artists making wings on that behemoth!

Wassap

Yeah, I do like the newer horses, and they anatomy is spot on, but they do stand out a bit from the others.

[butcherbaby]

OMG! YEEESSSSSSS!

Even though Equimagine had some really lovely colors and designs, the line art wasn't the greatest and I didn't care for them at all after the change to a more "cartoon" style (and the unicorns were just really unfortunate- very amateur looking.)

I was very happy when Yulynh came on board and the quality of the horses greatly increased- her line art is so lovely, organic, and realistic; the coloring is precise, detailed, and well done. I don't mind seeing all the old horses/ponies changed- PPS, Rainbow Mane, Rares, etc. I think the RM would be gorgeous in the new style, but special new lines for it would doubtless be lovely as well.
As for the special or PPS pets that people are worried about, I don't think updating all the rest but leaving those the same is a good idea. Having a whole new set of lovely horses/ponies with one or two old cruddy looking ones that don't match at all would look pretty terrible. Personally. I am fine with them changing to the new lines, but if it ends up being a big issue I think a better solution would be to have new line art drawn for just those certain pets (PPS ponies or whatever) that is as similar as possible to the old poses.

Overall, I look forward to seeing the improvements.

Comment referring to the rainbow drafts- I remember I could only get rid of them at the time because I *gave them away*. I love the more realistic new drafts!

[Harpy•]

Minimanta: so, by your reasoning (the fact that the artist doesn't lose the original work no matter what is taken), it is alright for one to copy a published book, to record a song identical to one previously published, to claim something as their own when it isn't, since the original artist loses nothing.
That is incredibly false.

I don't see anything wrong in copying anything. But claiming the copy as your own is obviously wrong.

Tracing those horse photos is like copying a generic love story. Nothing unique or special about it, something that has been done thousands of times before.

So if a book was published with a generic storyline, generic characters, etc., it would be entirely fine for another person to publish an IDENTICAL book? No changes at all, same plot and same characters? Because that is what you are suggesting.
Equi DID proclaim it as her own by using it as a lineart. It was through a mistake, yes, but as I've said many times before, this mistake still must be fixed.
And before the argument is asserted that no profit was made: this is also false.
C$ is a large thing on CS now. It is purchased with real money to help keep the site up and running.
This C$ may be used not only to purchase store items, but to trade for desired pets. Some of these desired pets are traced Equi lines. Therefore, a profit is made from the traced lines. The minisculity of the profit does not matter; it is still a profit.

I'm just saying copying isn't wrong. It's in our nature to copy, that's how we learn.
But for some reason it's now illegal to copy anything, even horse poses.[/quote]
Oh my gosh.
The issue isn't that it was copied. It's that Equi claimed it AS HER OWN WORK, and this mistake was NEVER FIXED.
Copying is EXTREMELY wrong if you claim it as your own work and make a profit.
I don't understand how you can't see this.