Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[Draikinator]

This is a very obvious case and I'm honestly surprised it's being debated.
If a user was selling adoptables and they were as obviously and proven traced as Equimagine's lines were, they would be immediately removed. The fact we are even having this discussion proves staff gets special treatment when it comes to art theft.

No. The staff as have been said before are just users whom volunteer to keep CS a healthy and friendly site. Without the "colored" name they're just like the rest of. The name just makes them stand out in a crowd. They do NOT get special treatment. The discussion isn't up for "Because she stole it, take it down" it was a simple - "Should we remove these seeing as there are old copyright issues" yes or no? .-. staff is no different from the rest of us except the fact they help users and have a fancy name (Unless of course your Tess, Nick, or and Assistant Admin - and even then not really Assistant Admins.)

Except that doesn't matter? Actions speak louder than words. There are 191 pages on this thread and we're debating whether or not to remove stolen work from the site. Has ANY OTHER USER ever received such treatment? No. I rest my case.

[Taiger Lilly]

So I say I don't like Equi's lines because they're traced, and then I'm told I'm not allwoed to say that. I say I don't like Equi's lines because I just don't like them, and I'm being mean.

Giving an opinion is not being mean. Equi isn't even HERE because she disabled her account. She in all likelihood does not care about CS anymore. And even if she was, shes an adult and can stand a little critique. I do not like her art. I do not think her lines match up witht he quality of other CS artists. That's an opinion.

As for 'accidentally' tracing, you don't just say 'whoops my hand slipped i accidentally traced this thing' you do it on purpose. She likely did it without malicious intent and may not have even been under the impression that was theft or wrong- but the fact remains it happens. When my sister was 7, she walked out of the store with a pack of candy and we went back in and returned it. She didn't realize it was wrong, but it was and we fixed the problem. Similar action should be taken here.

She did try to fix the problem!
She made a second set of lines, do you think she did that just for fun?
Yeah, she traced, for practice. My art teacher even recommends tracing a few things if you are having anatomy troubles.
(not ever showing it to anyone ovbs.)
But it CAN help, and I totally believe that she did it for practice and forgot, as she said.
It's still traced, and those traced imaged should still be removed.

[idleRAT]

Hmm, so having seen the images Harpalyce posted on tumblr(thanks whoever shared them!)...

How would it be okay to keep the PPS art(which is blatantly ripped) and not the adult prancing lineart(which is copied but modified)? I don't really understand the reasoning here beyond "People really like this so let's keep it!" :s

I really, really don't want to lose those gorgeous prancing horses(or the cute ponies with emo hair/one visible eye). Could Tess perhaps contact the original photographers and see what they say? I understand that if they say no, we're absolutely out of luck, but if they were to give us permission to use the art...

I dunno, I just don't want to lose those beautiful poses after all this time without even asking

Also: ty Hekomi for the pics, etc. but I still feel most "pet" heavy horses don't need the chopped tails(although your/your friend's horse looks lovely), and they benefit from the extra length with being able to swat flies, etc.

[asexual]

I just think they should be changed so everyone can stop fussing.

That won't stop people from fussing. You'll just have people who are upset over losing the pets they loved.

But you wouldn't be losing the pet, it would be like taking a still life picture from a different angle, or getting fan art of your sona.

[Solfeggio]

Except that doesn't matter? Actions speak louder than words. There are 191 pages on this thread and we're debating whether or not to remove stolen work from the site. Has ANY OTHER USER ever received such treatment? No. I rest my case.

^ The issue really isn't about whether or not it's stolen (although I realize it does factor somehow into the topic, but it's not the focus), it's just for the lineart to be updated and be uniform with the rest of the site. Additionally, of course it would receive this much attention because it was a "staff" member's work and it affects the majority, if not the entirety, of the website. That's why the public opinion does matter in relation to what the staff member did, because we're all affected, because that person was on the team in charge of taking care of the site.

I mean, imagine if we had open debates on every single picture that we believed was theft from every single member, that would be sort of a headache. xD

Again while I realize the tracing thing factors in somehow, it's not really the focus of this thread. I think that's why we're being politely reminded to not focus on it so much c:

[Draikinator]

So I say I don't like Equi's lines because they're traced, and then I'm told I'm not allwoed to say that. I say I don't like Equi's lines because I just don't like them, and I'm being mean.

Giving an opinion is not being mean. Equi isn't even HERE because she disabled her account. She in all likelihood does not care about CS anymore. And even if she was, shes an adult and can stand a little critique. I do not like her art. I do not think her lines match up witht he quality of other CS artists. That's an opinion.

As for 'accidentally' tracing, you don't just say 'whoops my hand slipped i accidentally traced this thing' you do it on purpose. She likely did it without malicious intent and may not have even been under the impression that was theft or wrong- but the fact remains it happens. When my sister was 7, she walked out of the store with a pack of candy and we went back in and returned it. She didn't realize it was wrong, but it was and we fixed the problem. Similar action should be taken here.

She did try to fix the problem!
She made a second set of lines, do you think she did that just for fun?
Yeah, she traced, for practice. My art teacher even recommends tracing a few things if you are having anatomy troubles.
(not ever showing it to anyone ovbs.)
But it CAN help, and I totally believe that she did it for practice and forgot, as she said.
It's still traced, and those traced imaged should still be removed.

What? That doesn't even remotely fix the problem.
CS is still using stolen work and profiting from it. Anything they use, even if 'free' is for profit because this is not a non profit site. They sell items that work on that lineart, and even if not, the pets bring in users who purchase the CSC in the first place. they're profiting off of other people's work without their permission- the ONLY way to fix the problem is to remove the offending work.

[Aurora Storm]

I have a question; what about the zebras? Will they be changed to the new pony lineart?

I think a re-vote with new conditions is a good idea, because I for one would love the PPS lines, the Rainbow Mane and the zebras to stay how they are.

[Solfeggio]

I have a question; what about the zebras? Will they be changed to the new pony lineart?

I think a re-vote with new conditions is a good idea, because I for one would love the PPS lines, the Rainbow Mane and the zebras to stay how they are.

I'm not sure about the Rainbow Mane etc, but as mentioned somewhere in this lengthy thread Tess said if she wanted to change the zebra lines there would have been a different topic about it. Which hasn't happened yet, so probably they won't change the zebras for now c:

[Draikinator]

Except that doesn't matter? Actions speak louder than words. There are 191 pages on this thread and we're debating whether or not to remove stolen work from the site. Has ANY OTHER USER ever received such treatment? No. I rest my case.

^ The issue really isn't about whether or not it's stolen (although I realize it does factor somehow into the topic, but it's not the focus), it's just for the lineart to be updated and be uniform with the rest of the site. Additionally, of course it would receive this much attention because it was a "staff" member's work and it affects the majority, if not the entirety, of the website. That's why the public opinion does matter in relation to what the staff member did, because we're all affected, because that person was on the team in charge of taking care of the site.

I mean, imagine if we had open debates on every single picture that we believed was theft from every single member, that would be sort of a headache. xD

Again while I realize the tracing thing factors in somehow, it's not really the focus of this thread. I think that's why we're being politely reminded to not focus on it so much c:

I cannot even begin to imagine why we shouldn't focus on it.
Do you know who else is affected by this argument? The copyright holders who's intellectual property has been stolen and used for TWO YEARS without their permission.

We don't NEED open debates on every single picture because the 'what to do' about it is obvious. Remove the material. Do not condone art theft. And in this case, when an artist has bene proven to have stolen something, rather than remove the work, it's been ignored and then put up for debate on whethe ror not we should change it for ITEMS.
If you don't feel like the whole art theft this is an ulterior motive to this change I really don't know why.

[asexual]

If we're talking opinions now, I'd love to have a rainbow maned in the new lines. The new lines are just so much more detailed and realistic. <3