Rule Changes to Address Misleading Trades +Spam Guide Update

[duskze]

Still refusing to ban players who have mountains of evidence against them for unfair trading practices and just putting more burden on the players who go above and beyond for this community like Horror.

this is the biggest kick in the face of it all. all of us legitimate traders who work hard to make fair trades are being punished because of people CS refuses to ban. i just do not understand it. these scammers are the ones making trading worse for everyone, and CS should be acting in that, not meddling in user-given value systems. this is disappointing.

agree. acting like it's the fault of the system people made to try to make trading fair, instead of the users who abuse the system is crazy. we only have all of these systems because CS's own value system is terrible, btw.

[TANKMEN]

{ I'm ECSTATIC to see these terms finally going away when every guide and then every trader out there uses them to mean different things. with a change this big now maybe instead of 20 different trade guides everyone will put their heads together to make one solid set of values which will faster weed out scammers. I hope staff plans to bring the hammer down on known scammers with this change as well. ♡

hi, sorry to reply to you, i promise this isn't me arguing but just making sure there isnt a misunderstanding! the rule change means that "MA/Non" is banned, and each rarity guide has to use its own valueing system, independent from any guides. that means that players as a whole cannot agree on one set of values, unless we just use 'codewords' for MA/Non. does this change how you feel at all?

[SleepyAshy]

They should just make Horror's list official 😔 Or make their own.

[Pallastronomy]

i'm sorry, but i really don't understand this. the reason that players scam other players is because pets have agreed on values by the community - this dog is worth 10 MA, etc. so they target newbies and unknowing players to get it for their gain. however, if a new player is able to get access to this same value system everyone is using early, they can avoid scams - you can see this clearly with the Trade Value Script, which has helped many many new players avoid ninja scams and players misleading them on values.

by obscuring this further and forcing every guide to use its own value system, you are making this even more confusing for new players. if they ask how much a pet is worth, theyre going to be given multiple different valueing systems, which may not match what the scammer is telling them. the scammer could then just say "no no, my value is the same as their value! trust me!" with no way to corroborate that.

i greatly support CS's efforts to prevent ninja trading and scamming, but i don't think this is it. rather than making this obvious scamming (esp on dec 18th) outright bannnable, or introducing local valueing systems on the site itself, you are making it more difficult for players to agree on trades and understand the value of pets. MA/Non didnt come from nothing, and you guys know that, it has existed as long as the site has. if the admins are insistent on killing MA/Non, then you NEED to introduce an in-house way to value pets above the OMGSR line, because currently there is not one. if you introduced this, or gave us explicit numbers for pets - something the admins have refused to do for over a decade (understandably!) - we would have no need for these systems.

please stop putting the burden of cataloging the games 15,000+ pets on the players and punishing them when that value system isnt to the admin's preference. at this point it really isn't fair, and its just frustrating. i dont know, maybe ill feel different about this in some months, but right now this announcement is just upsetting, especially without asking the playerbase if we even want this.

I was unsure if my personal unhappiness with this was just dislike of change overall, but this is a very solid post that articulates everything much better than I could and has me shifting my stance. Established and well used resources like Horror’s List and the C$ value userscript are pretty much the only places I’ve seen these values used, and they’re very consistent in their ballparking. If anything this upheaval is going to result in more confusion and unfair trades while Horror and company rebrand the terms and then it’s going to settle into an exact 1:1 of what it was before, just with new names and confusing offshoots. This is absolutely something the wider playerbase should have been asked about beforehand like with the rarity overhaul.

I think a suggestion thread should be opened on a rollback for this. I would like to hear the wider playerbase’s opinions.

[♥ꜱᴋʀ1ᴍᴘᴢ♥]

all this will do is make the current players who have spent thousands of hours of their time on this site no longer feel like playing, the lists are not enforced!!! the team needs to see that, most of the fanbase uses them yes but youre welcome to have your own value for any pet you want, stop trying to damage the lists and the cs economy,
there are even plug ins now that show you EXACTLY what your pet is worth but this sudden rule makes those plug ins against the rules! so disappointing

[duckblind]

i have never understood what ma/non means in my almost 5 years on the site even when i've had it explained, so it might be nice to have more clear terms available. glad to hear ninjas will be getting looked at!

[Carabby]

I can personally vouch that the MA/Non system is the ONLY thing that helped me learn how to trade after I discovered it last month. And I have been on the site for 13 years. It is a system well bolstered by years of trade data and demand tracking, and it simplifies something that there is not official guidance on.

I truly value the Admin team wanting to protect the more vulnerable players on the site, but getting rid of the most widely used valuation system and not offering a replacement is not helpful. Not to mention, when a system is as widely used as Horror's guide, why not just adopt that valuation as the official one if you truly want to help new players. How does having an endless number of potential valuation methods help more than just adopting and clarifying the one used by MOST users? If not that, why not make an official valuation guide based on all of the trade data you have access to?

[Kurt Cobain]

Thank you SO much for this update. I feel like it'll be a huge benefit for new players and those returning from longer hiatus!

[♥ꜱᴋʀ1ᴍᴘᴢ♥]

'old rare' as a term of value being banned is a joke,
its not even a term of value its describing a rare that is old

[himarry 124-Item-Bin]

all this will do is make the current players who have spent thousands of hours of their time on this site no longer feel like playing, the lists are not enforced!!! the team needs to see that, most of the fanbase uses them yes but youre welcome to have your own value for any pet you want, stop trying to damage the lists and the cs economy,
there are even plug ins now that show you EXACTLY what your pet is worth but this sudden rule makes those plug ins against the rules! so disappointing

this is actually a very good point, is that plug in going to be completely removed now even though it helps so many newer players with less valuable trades?