Rule Changes to Address Misleading Trades +Spam Guide Update

[frank ocean]

i really fail to understand how every single guide needing to use different/unique terminology makes things LESS confusing but hey maybe i'm just dumb!

this just raises the floor for everyone wanting to get into trading and completely throws YEARS of community-made terminology. i also really don't understand the scope... does "trade communications" include trade messages, pet naming etc.?

if so i genuinely despise this change. rarities and values are already hard enough to keep up with, without forcing everyone to use their own terms. idk man this makes 0 sense to me currently.

EDIT: and saying we can "Use “MA”, “Non”, and "Old Rare" or similar as part of a personal value system, as long as it is not being attributed to a value guide." is pointless bc everyone who uses such terms, use it BECAUSE of old value guides 💀 i guess the point of this is you just can't SAY you use a guide but then again legitimately WHAT is the point???

[honk honk]

I’m not overly sure if this is a good change. Terms like non and MA have been used for years, and whether that’s good or not the generally have an agreed upon value. Having users split terms from guide to guide will only invite more confusion, especially among new players. This change only adds to that confusion, and I think more people will get scammed by a bunch of new trading terminology flooding the scene.
It also feels like a slap in the face to the value list makers that have worked hard to create a trading system that has been widely accepted and allowed until now. If the site is not going to make an official way to tell how many of a pet exist actively or how much pets cost, don’t punish the players who have spent years trying to create a system that helps everyone trade fairly.

[himarry 124-Item-Bin]

does this only effect guides or are we gonna be penalized for still using the terms in our personal trades? I am a little confused at how this is supposed to help with higher value trades, like is the site just going to act like there isn't huge differences in value among the omg so rare pets? (this is not ment to start arguments I am just genuinely concerned this could cause a lot more confusion then help are we not aloud to put terms like MA or NON in the trade advice thread as well?)

[Cloverstream]

Still refusing to ban players who have mountains of evidence against them for unfair trading practices and just putting more burden on the players who go above and beyond for this community like Horror.

[TANKMEN]

Still refusing to ban players who have mountains of evidence against them for unfair trading practices and just putting more burden on the players who go above and beyond for this community like Horror.

this is the biggest kick in the face of it all. all of us legitimate traders who work hard to make fair trades are being punished because of people CS refuses to ban. i just do not understand it. these scammers are the ones making trading worse for everyone, and CS should be acting in that, not meddling in user-given value systems. this is disappointing.

[shrimp...]

The fact that yall felt the need to differentiate 'Ninja'ing' vs 'Scamming' says a lot on its own. There was no need for the removal of MA and NON value systems unless staff intends to implement universal terms backed by staff, or better yet added as a standard in the trading forum rules.

The MA/NON system has been in place for 10+ years, and has a longstanding basis in trading values. While I understand that it could be as 'simple' as swapping these terms with other phrases, I feel like it would be much easier on the dwindling active userbase to ban Scammers or Ninja Traders outright rather than force all of your active players to adapt to new trading terms.

[constantine]

For what it's worth, I am very appreciative that something is finally being done to address ninja-ing/value pushing, I'm just... not sure that the solution is to get rid of well established trading terms? Honestly outside of a handful of bad faith actors I have not issues with most players in the trading scene. I imagine trading is only going to be more confusing when values are spread across several different guides instead of one centralized guide most agree that is helpful.

[HaƖƖoween]

i'm sorry, but i really don't understand this. the reason that players scam other players is because pets have agreed on values by the community - this dog is worth 10 MA, etc. so they target newbies and unknowing players to get it for their gain. however, if a new player is able to get access to this same value system everyone is using early, they can avoid scams - you can see this clearly with the Trade Value Script, which has helped many many new players avoid ninja scams and players misleading them on values.

by obscuring this further and forcing every guide to use its own value system, you are making this even more confusing for new players. if they ask how much a pet is worth, theyre going to be given multiple different valueing systems, which may not match what the scammer is telling them. the scammer could then just say "no no, my value is the same as their value! trust me!" with no way to corroborate that.

i greatly support CS's efforts to prevent ninja trading and scamming, but i don't think this is it. rather than making this obvious scamming (esp on dec 18th) outright bannnable, or introducing local valueing systems on the site itself, you are making it more difficult for players to agree on trades and understand the value of pets. MA/Non didnt come from nothing, and you guys know that, it has existed as long as the site has. if the admins are insistent on killing MA/Non, then you NEED to introduce an in-house way to value pets above the OMGSR line, because currently there is not one. if you introduced this, or gave us explicit numbers for pets - something the admins have refused to do for over a decade (understandably!) - we would have no need for these systems.

please stop putting the burden of cataloging the games 15,000+ pets on the players and punishing them when that value system isnt to the admin's preference. at this point it really isn't fair, and its just frustrating. i dont know, maybe ill feel different about this in some months, but right now this announcement is just upsetting, especially without asking the playerbase if we even want this.

I agree with this take. Although I don't have much input, I can vouch for the old guide terminologies helping both myself as a casual player and my newer CS player friends. I hope ultimately this will bring positive changes to trading but as it stands right now I'm not sure. My first impression is that these major changes to pet value will make trading difficult for quite some time.

[iHolli]

{ I'm ECSTATIC to see these terms finally going away when every guide and then every trader out there uses them to mean different things. with a change this big now maybe instead of 20 different trade guides everyone will put their heads together to make one solid set of values which will faster weed out scammers. I hope staff plans to bring the hammer down on known scammers with this change as well. ♡

[♥ꜱᴋʀ1ᴍᴘᴢ♥]

honestly not my fav take, this is only going to cause more confusion, people are not forced to use any type of list at all people choose to follow lists and it has taken years for people like horror to slowly identify the demand of each pet, will we be banned for continuing to refer to them as ma? because this doesnt change the value of the pets only the name of the value? 99% of players ALREADY have their own value thats why Brown Sleipnir trades for 60ma instead of 30 like most lists say, im really disappointed in this rule, i dont think its fair to the people actually using it properly and i think all this is going to do is cause more people to become confused and upset. i hope the team reconsiders this 'rule'