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Re: This is abuse

Postby Peppah<3 » Fri May 25, 2012 3:59 am

Thank you all so much! <3

тнɛ Ĵɛƨтɛя wrote:Do you know what soring is?It's also abuse.Horses don't deserve to be abused.They have served man for hundreds of years.I wish all the people that abuse these beautiful creatures to die.


Yeah, soring with TWH? That has been going on for ages unfortunately, I should do something on it to help it raise even more awareness'

lithiumalhydride wrote:Hate to play devils advocate, but here we go.

rounding up of wild horses is necessary for the survivorship of wild horses. In most areas wild horses go pretty much unchallenged and have few if no natural predators in the wild due to human interference which has either over hunted their natural predators or moved them to a new location. So without wild horse round ups the population would grow, grow, grow and grow some more, over grazing and infringing on the populations and survivorship of other species, plants and animals alike. They arent rounded up because people dont like them or want to hurt them, its because any population of animal that goes unchecked becomes a swarm of locust that drain their habitat dry. And once they do that, the population themselves starves to death. Starving wild horses doesnt seem humane to me.

Unfortunately horse slaughter is a necessary evil as well, for very similar reasons. If you look at the global horse market it is full to overflowing. There are simply not enough homes for all the horses in the world due to the cost of feeding them and the amount of space a horse needs for a healthy lifestyle. it's not just wild horses that go to slaughter, but domestic ones as well that no longer have a home due to varying circumstances. you have to think of each horse and the prognosis for their life before you say no to slaughtering them. Round ups, generally (there are a few extreme cases where this is not true, as there are with everything) want to help these horses, just like humane societies do, but sometimes its just not possible since many horses are lame, sick, not large or strong enough to carry a rider or too feral to be handled and it is more humane to end the animal's life on a good note than to try and push them into a system which will likely end in them being neglected and never finding a home. Slaughter is not torture, the process is as quick and painless as possible, as is transportation, which is not an exact science for any horse, slaughter horses or show horses, but generally transport is set up in a way that it is most efficient and comfortable for both horse and shipper.

Basically, most of these mean terrible people behind round ups and horse slaughter have the animal's best interest at heart, just as i do, and would like to see them all saved and live out long happy lives. But unfortunately we just cant do that so we have to decide on a feasible option that has the animal's best interest at heart. It might seem cruel, but it's no more cruel than putting an animal down to end it's suffering.


I do understand how it helps horses long term, but not in all cases is this done humanely, I have seen videos and pictures of this being done in the most vile and painful way, that is what I am campaigning against. There is also an argument that people are rounding too many wild horses, denying too many of the freedom they deserve. I also think that introducing more natural predators can help keep the population at bay. People are always talking of wolves being endangered, why not introduce a few of them? (I know there's probably a lot of problems with that, but it's still something to think about.)
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Re: This is abuse

Postby lithiumalhydride » Fri May 25, 2012 4:35 am

Miss Equestria wrote:I do understand how it helps horses long term, but not in all cases is this done humanely, I have seen videos and pictures of this being done in the most vile and painful way, that is what I am campaigning against. There is also an argument that people are rounding too many wild horses, denying too many of the freedom they deserve. I also think that introducing more natural predators can help keep the population at bay. People are always talking of wolves being endangered, why not introduce a few of them? (I know there's probably a lot of problems with that, but it's still something to think about.)


Yes, not in all cases, but in a good 95% of cases this is done humanely with the best of intentions and those intentions have historically played out very well for the horse population, both wild and domestic. The slaughter of horses which I described earlier reduces the supply of horses, increasing their value which feeds back vital money into the horse industry so that we can provide better care, housing and feed for our beloved animals as well as indirectly funding research and development for our veterinarians and equine science. Slaughter horses dont just become dog food or meet, but they also serve as the research groups for veterinary medicine. Those 5% of practices which are not humane and are everything you say are also very, very illegal in most countries, the UK and united states included, and are also not cost effective for the slaughterer so these practices are very rare even for that cold heartless animal hating person that none of us like, since the longer an animal is alive the more money a meat packer has to pay. Also the introduction of natural predators will take decades before they can reach a self sustaining population that might be strong enough to go after game as large and capable of defending itself as a horse. We need to fix the problem now because horses will over graze themselves faster than we can reintroduce predators (which will already have a hard time of it, they're endangered for a reason) that can hunt them.

In short, dont generalize based upon your gut reaction to the phrases horse slaughter and wild horse roundup, instead view the world with the idea that everyone is just as good and kind hearted as you are and be proven wrong rather than putting the face of a few criminals as the face of an entire group.
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Re: This is abuse

Postby Thorn Paw » Fri May 25, 2012 4:48 am

I agree with both not doing it and then doing it. because of what: lithiumalhydride said
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Re: This is abuse

Postby BayloneRose » Fri May 25, 2012 1:56 pm

this is quite amazing artwork
and i was unaware that there was even any wild horses left 0.o
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Re: This is abuse

Postby ~TGenie- » Fri May 25, 2012 2:44 pm

This is great, the drawing is amazing and beautiful plus it raises awareness (:
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Re: This is abuse

Postby Peppah<3 » Fri May 25, 2012 6:39 pm

Thank you' <3
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Re: This is abuse

Postby breadstick » Fri May 25, 2012 7:30 pm

    I totally agree. But I was never aware of that this happened in the UK, and I am truly horrified. It is a beautiful picture that fits the purpose of it. Its horrible to think about it, but I think of those horses every night, being a horse lover myself, and I always take care of the horses that my friends allow me to ride. But it raises so much awareness, and I hope this can be stopped.
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Re: This is abuse

Postby Peppah<3 » Sat May 26, 2012 2:53 am

Thank you, I am so happy about how much awareness this has caused! I never thought so many would read the cause, I only expected a few'
It means so much to both me and the horses, if someone can find me a petition about this, please send me a link! <3
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Re: This is abuse

Postby OneRowdyNight » Sat May 26, 2012 12:23 pm

This is more focused on the UK roundups, right? Because here in the USA, we NEED the roundups. Our badlands/prairies/etc, can't support the number that are living there currently, let alone more. Many people think that our mustangs are decreasing when, in fact, they're destroying the beautiful scrubland that shouldn't be as populated as it right now. I have no clue about the UK situation, but thought I'd put in a bit. ^^; The picture is absolutely stunning!!
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Re: This is abuse

Postby Peppah<3 » Sat May 26, 2012 7:44 pm

Thanks' (:
I focus it on both, as even though there are reasons for the round ups, I still think too many horses are being taken from their freedom, though I am not as familiar with the USA round ups as I am with the UK round ups, but I am still against it' (:
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