ramadan event suggestion [ 70+ supporters! ]

[Design]

maybe instead of having items like headscarves, the Qu’ran and Arabic scriptures as items, maybe there could be some pets (like maybe cats?) with just colours which are associated with Ramadan and they could have a pattern on them with the Islamic symbol. some people might just be offended and feel disrespected with having sacred items in a game ^^

[nyabeille]

maybe instead of having items like headscarves, the Qu’ran and Arabic scriptures as items, maybe there could be some pets (like maybe cats?) with just colours which are associated with Ramadan and they could have a pattern on them with the Islamic symbol. some people might just be offended and feel disrespected with having sacred items in a game ^^

this is a lovely idea, thank you for the input! i understand and that makes sense <3

Having lived with a practicing Muslim I can not support this idea. I think rather than being inclusive it would actually insult many Muslims to have their beliefs trivialised like this. Especially creating items such as the Quran and headscarves.

thank you for your input! can i ask why headscarves at the least would be considered trivialized? i understand the quran, and scripture items, but w/ headscarves, perhaps i don't quite understand how important they are to the culture

[Ice Flower]

Thank you staff for considering cultural appropriation before agreeing to the idea. One, Quran as item. NO. You could put it on a dragon, zebra, horse not that controversial but if you put it on a pig, dog, rat lots of controversy. Headscarf not good idea, personally I would not be offended but I know maybe other people will. What's a good idea? Middle Eastern styled lanterns great idea. Different phases of the moon great idea. Stamps great idea. What we call Sofre , doesn't have eng translation good idea.

[amarok.]

Having lived with a practicing Muslim I can not support this idea. I think rather than being inclusive it would actually insult many Muslims to have their beliefs trivialised like this. Especially creating items such as the Quran and headscarves.

I'd second this. My city is 25% Muslim and I can attest to the fact that it would probably offend most of the ones I know. I'm too awkward to actually ask anybody, of course, but I don't think it would be appreciated. It might be different elsewhere but here that just sounds a bit like a token acknowledgement, or even commercialising something they hold very close to their hearts. Especially if their religious items (i.e the Qu'ran) were created. Oh boy, that's a boatload of issued waiting to happen.

I can kind of get behind headscarves being created, since some Muslim players might like to be able to dress up pets in outfits like those they'd wear themselves (plus I mean come on, think of all the gorgeous patterns?) though. Maybe? I just don't think running an actual event would be easy to do correctly without offending anybody. I'm pagan myself and I'd be slightly offended if a cs event portrayed me and my sisters inaccurately, so let alone how much it could bother somebody more devout.

[hypnowave]

honestly, that's why i'm pretty against the idea of having "sensitivity readers" as Soft Sand suggested. while a good idea in principle, muslims are a vast people, and it is impossible to whittle down all those differing opinions into the responsibility of a small team of muslims. i feel like it would simply be better to play it safe and take inspiration from subtler sources such as geometry or other islamic art forms that are less explicit in their faith, in the same way that christmas pets borrow from the christmas "aesthetic" (snow, warm fireplaces, winter clothing, red and green, christmas trees) rather than aspects of christianity itself (the cross, the bible, etc).

[amarok.]

honestly, that's why i'm pretty against the idea of having "sensitivity readers" as Soft Sand suggested. while a good idea in principle, muslims are a vast people, and it is impossible to whittle down all those differing opinions into the responsibility of a small team of muslims. i feel like it would simply be better to play it safe and take inspiration from subtler sources such as geometry or other islamic art forms that are less explicit in their faith, in the same way that christmas pets borrow from the christmas "aesthetic" (snow, warm fireplaces, winter clothing, red and green, christmas trees) rather than aspects of christianity itself (the cross, the bible, etc).

this is a good take. I'd love to see some pets with geometric patterns and some tapestries and things.

[pigeon.enthusiast]

the framing of the answers in the poll is pretty biased and doesn't consider that Muslims might feel trivialized/ appropriated. "meh, too risky in offending others" is just not a great way of putting it :<

[nyabeille]

the framing of the answers in the poll is pretty biased and doesn't consider that Muslims might feel trivialized/ appropriated. "meh, too risky in offending others" is just not a great way of putting it :<

noted and changed. thank you ^^

honestly, that's why i'm pretty against the idea of having "sensitivity readers" as Soft Sand suggested. while a good idea in principle, muslims are a vast people, and it is impossible to whittle down all those differing opinions into the responsibility of a small team of muslims. i feel like it would simply be better to play it safe and take inspiration from subtler sources such as geometry or other islamic art forms that are less explicit in their faith, in the same way that christmas pets borrow from the christmas "aesthetic" (snow, warm fireplaces, winter clothing, red and green, christmas trees) rather than aspects of christianity itself (the cross, the bible, etc).

this is a good take. I'd love to see some pets with geometric patterns and some tapestries and things.

thank you for the input!!

Having lived with a practicing Muslim I can not support this idea. I think rather than being inclusive it would actually insult many Muslims to have their beliefs trivialised like this. Especially creating items such as the Quran and headscarves.

I'd second this. My city is 25% Muslim and I can attest to the fact that it would probably offend most of the ones I know. I'm too awkward to actually ask anybody, of course, but I don't think it would be appreciated. It might be different elsewhere but here that just sounds a bit like a token acknowledgement, or even commercialising something they hold very close to their hearts. Especially if their religious items (i.e the Qu'ran) were created. Oh boy, that's a boatload of issued waiting to happen.

I can kind of get behind headscarves being created, since some Muslim players might like to be able to dress up pets in outfits like those they'd wear themselves (plus I mean come on, think of all the gorgeous patterns?) though. Maybe? I just don't think running an actual event would be easy to do correctly without offending anybody. I'm pagan myself and I'd be slightly offended if a cs event portrayed me and my sisters inaccurately, so let alone how much it could bother somebody more devout.

100% understandable. 'token acknowledgement' is something i want to avoid tho. acknowledging different communities in an attempt to be more open and welcoming shouldn't be labeled in a negative light unless it has negative intentions. (i.e token poc characters added just to get good boy points from media)
i think avoiding the super religious aspects of the event is a good idea, since like everyone is pointing out, all muslims have different opinions on whats trivializing and what would be considered offensive.
i guess my personal issue i struggle with is seeing how christmas and hannukah get acknowledgement while other religions do not, commercialized or not. seeing tho as most community members feel as though it'd be taken as appropriation, rather than appreciation, i understand why this is the case.
i guess my next question is towards those who religiously celebrate christmas or hannukah, if they feel like the celebration of their holidays are inappropriate. i'm curious, because i've never seen complaints but i wonder if any exist.

[ElementalInsanity]

honestly, that's why i'm pretty against the idea of having "sensitivity readers" as Soft Sand suggested. while a good idea in principle, muslims are a vast people, and it is impossible to whittle down all those differing opinions into the responsibility of a small team of muslims. i feel like it would simply be better to play it safe and take inspiration from subtler sources such as geometry or other islamic art forms that are less explicit in their faith, in the same way that christmas pets borrow from the christmas "aesthetic" (snow, warm fireplaces, winter clothing, red and green, christmas trees) rather than aspects of christianity itself (the cross, the bible, etc).

this is a good take. I'd love to see some pets with geometric patterns and some tapestries and things.

I think this sums up my thoughts exactly. I have no input because I am not Muslim nor do I know much about it. Just from my keeping up with reading this thread though this is what I was thinking.

Mainly in the fact that the ‘aesthetic’ is more what is used for the Christmas event from what I’ve noticed.
Because I don’t know, is the Quran like their holy writings? Because if so I think any religious sort of items like that should definitely not be made into items, as reyligion said with their reasoning.

[Ice Flower]

Maybe instead of celebrating Ramazan, CS could celebrate Eid Fetr, which marks the last day of Ramazan and fasting. Items could be foods from different Muslim dominant countries? Also signs or speech bubbles saying stuff like "Fasted all the way this year" .