2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Minimanta » Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:07 am

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Creativity wrote:i grew up in southwest america so even though it's unlikely, i'd love to see lineart changes for coyotes/roadrunners, and of course some scorpions! as they were all very present in the area i grew up in



Oooo I didn’t even think about coyotes. That would be sick.

On the topic of the subject matter regarding the theme: I’m choosing to view it bridgerton-esque where it is an AU. It’s impossible to separate the west from colonization and brutality. That is reality. The game is fiction, however, and there is freedom in it to interpret and recreate the past under different circumstances. Doesn’t change the reality. It’s just a different universe of fiction.

ETA: also mountain lions???? please

We actually got a mountain lion on the sitting cat lines for the camping event last year ^.^
I guess we could still get one on the actual lion lines, though.

The realistic pets we could potentially get from this event is also what I'm the most excited about! I live for realistic pets <3
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Strange_Atoms » Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:26 am

lestrades.mistress wrote:Hoping for some reptiles besides the snakes. Gila Monster would be amazingggg. Also patiently waiting for the cowboy hat drop I’m sure we’re going to get. I need to make the whole gang.

Ohhh yeah maybe on edited rat lines maybe??
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby uncanny valley » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:01 am

Darkcloud! wrote:All the adults here know the actual history of the time era- as many others have said it's a fictional play on the fun elements of a very long and wide spanning time period that there are many facets too, as well as movies, games and books that are well liked by all ages.

It's really strange to see such heavy topics about death and suffering brought up in a general board, aimed at making people feel bad for liking the theme and enjoying it, or to shame the staff for creating this storyline.

Especially since there are so many kids here: some kids really enjoy the wild west and it would crush them to see adults telling them they have to feel guilt for it and apologize for it...or constantly think about the bad parts of it that they had nothing to do with.

Wild West isn't a bad set of words, and it's odd to see so many people keen on making others feel bad/attacking them for a bit of roleplay/fantasy on a kid's site that is based around suspension of reality for fun.

The staff has already assured us that they took real life events into account when creating this (as they did for previous events that could have had issues, like the Cryptid Event), so let's have some faith in this.
Let's not go about attacking others who express discomfort at being told over and over they need to feel guilt and shame for enjoying this, as well as discomfort at having dark and disturbing topics being pushed for inclusion on a kid's site event.


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Framing people's legitimate concerns as "trying to make others feel bad" is so strange. The time period that this event is based upon was an era of genocide for native people in N. America, and people affected have the right to have concerns about the way this event is handled. Put another way, would it be easier to understand people's concerns if the event was "Nazi Germany" themed or "antebellum South" themed? Because that's a fair historical equivalent to westward expansion in the United States.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a Southwest themed event, btw. Lots of great aesthetics come from the southwest. But I'm not a fan of the way people are being dismissed on this subject. It's not right to just handwave these concerns and pretend that this isn't a potentially fraught theme that can harm some of the userbase.
Nobody is trying to "make people feel bad." People are just voicing concerns in the hopes that the staff hears them and takes them into consideration. For instance, it might have been a good idea to hire a sensitivity reader to look over the storyline, etc. These are pieces of player feedback, nothing more and nothing less, and seeing people circle the wagons is uncomfortable to say the least (particularly as this site is meant to be inclusive to all.)
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby c-ta » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:01 am

lestrades.mistress wrote:Hoping for some reptiles besides the snakes. Gila Monster would be amazingggg. Also patiently waiting for the cowboy hat drop I’m sure we’re going to get. I need to make the whole gang.


YES, i came to the thread specifically to post that i hope we get more lizards! i would looove to see more lizards onto the chameleon lines, especially the pps 2nd stage lines. bearded dragons would be so cool to finally have <3 or like how the cave event axolotls were edited onto the dragon pps lines but with desert lizard species

gila monsters would be so absolutely wonderful though!!
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Sugared_Strawberries » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:02 am

Saw some talk earlier about potential rat line edits that could become more common. I think that could be a good idea! For example, the dog line has tons of variants. Also, as much as love the classic rat line, I think it could do with freshening it up!
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Nulldrawer » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:28 am

As a historian this event has me so giddy! Idk if anyone has mentioned it but I hope we get some Buffalo (or Bisen) for this event. The intercontinental railroad in the US had a very large impact on their populations with this being a great event to bring awareness to their conservation!
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Birdy » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:28 am

i totally understand the concerns that have been expressed here. it seems as though the staff were going for more of a generic/geographical concept, based on dogtreat's post earlier in the thread. it also seems as though they've tried to take steps to ensure that the storyline used in the event will be sensitive of the associations that such a theme may stir up:

dogtreat wrote:just want to try to reassure people and worries ive already seen here: we've done our best to ensure that while the theme is "wild west" its more of a generic "west america" type of theme. focusing more on the overarching aesthetics of places like california, arizona, new mexico, utah, colorado, and even up into places like idaho and montana. we had multiple readovers of the theme and story to ensure it didnt contain anything that might cause distress.

also im super glad people seem to like the rat lineart!! i was very proud of the lil edits i made :> the colors of 2 of them are based after ratties I had a few years ago, the others are based on really neat rats and fancy mice i saw on reddit.


i'm holding out hope that this can be done tastefully, as i personally have always loved western aesthetics and am fascinated by the wildlife (some of the mentioned ones like armadillos and coyotes, especially, though i'd also love to see things like cacti, buffalo and vultures!) truthfully, i think any kind of geography-based event is exciting, as it gives a chance for more real-life flora/fauna to be explored through pets and items! but i also understand that this year's theme may not be to everyone's tastes, and am hoping that there are at least some aspects for each user to find joy in^^
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby Darkcloud! » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:45 am

uncanny valley wrote:Framing people's legitimate concerns as "trying to make others feel bad" is so strange. The time period that this event is based upon was an era of genocide for native people in N. America, and people affected have the right to have concerns about the way this event is handled. Put another way, would it be easier to understand people's concerns if the event was "Nazi Germany" themed or "antebellum South" themed? Because that's a fair historical equivalent to westward expansion in the United States.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a Southwest themed event, btw. Lots of great aesthetics come from the southwest. But I'm not a fan of the way people are being dismissed on this subject. It's not right to just handwave these concerns and pretend that this isn't a potentially fraught theme that can harm some of the userbase.
Nobody is trying to "make people feel bad." People are just voicing concerns in the hopes that the staff hears them and takes them into consideration. For instance, it might have been a good idea to hire a sensitivity reader to look over the storyline, etc. These are pieces of player feedback, nothing more and nothing less, and seeing people circle the wagons is uncomfortable to say the least (particularly as this site is meant to be inclusive to all.)


I've seen multiple people in this thread be treated poorly because they believe staff are already handling this theme well, or because the repeated detailing of how "awful" this theme is directed at the users who say they enjoy it, and it causes real harm to those individuals.

It's not anywhere close to the extreme comparisons you're making, not when staff has repeatedly said that they were careful to consider the real history behind the time period. A more accurate comparison would be "World War II" era or "Civil War", which again, is an extreme comparison of "time of country's expansion with many different communities and events" to "literal widespread wartime". I could see CS doing a Victorian Era themed event for the European players, which is also a time period rife with issues, but it's fine to enjoy the time period and concept in a fictional setting.

There's no "circling the wagons". I just think it's wrong to demand that staff and site users repeat over and over that they know about all the bad stuff during this time period as some sort of disclaimer to enjoying it. We can't expect staff to reveal the entire plot ahead of time for it to be scrutinized in their fictional borrowing of a time period. Other examples are Red Dead Redemption and Oregon Trail for video games. Spirit, Rango, Home on the Range, and An American Tale: Fivel Goes West for movies aimed at kids specifically.

Unlike Spirit or Fivel, I don't think this event is going to get into War or Military happenings. CS hasn't done that in their past events- and this event is pretty clearly set to be focused around the ideas of the Pony Express and Trains, both things that children adore and that we should not be adding brutality (in actual events or as historical disclaimers) to on a children's site.

The adults here are all, as my original post points out, very aware of history and the real world and the awful things it contains. Any children will learn about it through their own schools, adults, their own curiosity or reading- hopefully with supervision to protect them from some of the things that are simply not age appropriate. An event on a web game is not the time or place to do it, nor is the forum for discussion of said event.
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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

Postby sirpiusofgrizz » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:48 am

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Re: 2024 Summer Event: Casual Chat

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