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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Ranger of the North » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:34 pm

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Who's planning to do Camp NaNo next month? I'm thinking of maybe making a combined Inklings/Lazy Writer cabin, but it depends on how many people are interested/don't already have cabins Image

I'd join! :O
Awesome! What's your username? (:


NopesaurusRexx wrote:lololol I joined a group that is doing a 24 hour Write-A-Thon on July 1st and I'm gonna die because I have a long day of work beforehand and I work out in the woods so it's physical labor, what did I do to myself?

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Loll, rip mate. Good luck! At least writing mostly entails sitting down :p
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Postby Pyjaks » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:39 pm

NopesaurusRexx wrote:lololol I joined a group that is doing a 24 hour Write-A-Thon on July 1st and I'm gonna die because I have a long day of work beforehand and I work out in the woods so it's physical labor, what did I do to myself?


:0 good luck! I can't decide if that sounds awesome or torturous XP

As for self publishing
Like some other people said I think it's fine if you're willing to take on the extra workload of advertising and promoting your book. It's just a personal thing, I think. I know many authors in this day and age have managed to get their foot in the door to the world of publishing by starting out with self publish (whether that's through ebooks or whatever) so it's pretty cool that it can offer some people opportunities that they might not have otherwise
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Ranger of the North » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:19 pm

Lolol that second poll-option is so accurate it's scary XD
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby ~☾☆Tԋҽ Mσσɳ Gαȥҽɾ☆☾~ » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:50 am

How do you keep/build up motivation after being sick?

I read a book that has a good plot and take a
few days rest, that normally beings my motivation right back up!

opinions of self-publishing?

I self published a book and it worked out well, my book is currently in 2 libraries, a tiny family owned bookstore, and a school.
What I recommend though is if you have the patience, money, don't mind the publisher
taking control of a few things, and you truly think your book is of good quality,
I'd go for trying for a publishing company.

The long answer is libraries are typically very leery about self publishers,
so if you aim to get a book in many libraries and book stores, go for a publishing company.
If you only want to sell your book primarily online and can afford good advertising,
illustrators (if needed,) and editors, go for self publishing. Also another thing to mention
is that publishing companies often take a very long time to approve your book if you don't
have a history of good selling, ranging anywhere from 3 weeks to 8 months to be approved! The
bad part is that most of them don't even send you a rejection email and only send something back if
you get approved, so mainly all you can do at that point is apply to as many as possible and play the waiting game.
That is another thing to take into consideration.

I have questions for everyone!

What are your tips for writing good character motivations?
&
What is your opinion on stereotypes and cliches?
Can they be rewritten to be unique and interesting?
Or should they be avoided entirely?
For which cliches this is/isn't the case for?
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby The Worst Username » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:55 am

@Moon
    Hello! This is Worst; I'm from Lazy Writers.

What are your tips for writing good character motivations?
    Plan it out beforehand; think up every possible reason someone would do something.

    Why are they doing this? Why would they do this? Did they cross the ocean for promises of a better life, or because their daughter lives there, or because their boyfriend wanted them to? Does he protest finding cures for HIV because he thinks it's a gay disease, and he doesn't see gay people as people that deserve not to die of horrific diseases? Did the queen kill the king because she thinks he's a bad ruler? Does he hate feminists because he thinks irrational man-haters, when in reality he'll never understand the problems even first-world women face? (Dang it, I'm ranting again)

    Then, I suppose you should just think about that reason every time you do a character development scene in the text. Think about ways to bring up the motivation without it being obnoxious. (E.g., with two people on the boat leaving their home forever, person 1 might ask "why are we doing this? We could've stayed home. It might have gotten better if we'd just..." and person 2 could say "you know it'll never get better there. This is our chance to find something better.")
What is your opinion on stereotypes and cliches? Can they be rewritten to be unique and interesting? Or should they be avoided entirely?
    I think cliches are fine and can be done, even without being rewritten to be unique/interesting. Just because your fantasy story has typical fairies, centaurs, and dwarves doesn't mean it's not a good story. Stereotypes should be avoided like the devil for one of two reasons: one, it's something like "the awkward, slightly perverted, white male nerd with a speech impediment", which just creates flat characters; two, it's something like "the strong Black woman", "the damsel-in-distress White woman", "the selfish, amoral atheist", "the rich, greedy Jew", or "the 'psycho killer' depressed or bipolar person", which are terrible, offensive caricatures of religions, ethnic groups, races, genders, et cetera.
For which cliches this is/isn't the case for?
    I guess if the cliche in question is a racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/anti-(insert group here) stereotype, then it should be thrown in the trash bin and vomited on, but I'd say other cliches are fine.
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Ranger of the North » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:37 pm

What are your tips for writing good character motivations?
Um... I'd probably have to say 'make them realistic'. And keep in mind that even if something's not plausible for you, your character is in an entirely different situation, and it might make perfect sense to them.

What is your opinion on stereotypes and cliches? Can they be rewritten to be unique and interesting, or should they be avoided entirely?
No, I think you can totally make a cliche interesting! I think it's mainly the execution of a situation that makes it cliche. For example, a prince finds a spell-trapped princess stuck in a tower and guarded by a dragon? IT'S BEEN DONE SO MANY TIMES. But what if the tower is full of booby-traps and obstacles, and is actually higher than it first seems? What if the tower is actually a portal to a planet far out in space where the princess is being held captive by the oogly-boogly tribe? What if the dragon is the princess? What if the dragon was cursed as well, and wants nothing more than to be set free so it can return home? What if you gave the princess a personality and give her the ability to stand up for herself, how crazy would that be?!
Um — *coughs* — I kinda got carried away there XD But no, I think cliches can totally be interesting if you make them original, as wonky as it sounds c;

For which cliches this is/isn't the case for?
Girls are brainless sissies. Get rid of that one asap, thank ye very much -_- I could go on, but that's the main one; no one really wants to see me elaborate on this topic, nahaha
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Livini » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:28 pm

How long have you gone without writing?
Depends what you mean by "writing". I bet I've gone quite long without writing my stories down on paper/computer, but that doesn't mean I'm not writing them in my head. I also tend to focus a lot on the stories I enact with my sister (our more complicated version of children's make-believe), so sometimes this gets in the way of my "writing", but that means I'm still busy developing characters and stuff.


My opinion on stereotypes:
I think there are two slightly different definitions of a "stereotype":

1. A flat character who has only one or two defining personality traits (especially if it's something that you see a lot in stories, like a typical "class clown", or a bully/villain who has no personality other than being a bully/evil, or the "stupid sidekick").
In general, a developed character is more interesting than one of these "stereotype" characters, but it depends what role they play in the story, and what kind of story you're writing. In some stories and situations, a flat character can have a comical effect, whereas in other stories and situations, they may just come across as annoying. In stories with a lot of focus on the psychology of the characters, it may be interesting to have only deeper characters (no stereotypes), or to have characters who seem very flat and then turn out to be something different than they appeared to be, whereas in stories with very little focus on psychology and character development, it could distract from the main plot if every side character's deeper personality is revealed (depends how you do it, of course, so I'm not saying any of this always applies).

2. A character who acts like a stereotypical image of a group (such as the "damsel-in-distress", the "rich, greedy Jew", etcetera, that The Worst Username mentioned).
This can be a problem because the same image of the same group keeps being repeated, but I think it depends a lot on your cast of characters. If there is only one woman in your cast and she acts like a "damsel-in-distress", this can be seen as reinforcing the image of women as weak, dependant, etcetera (again, it depends how you do it: you could be writing satire and presenting stereotypes in a way that pokes fun at them). But if half of your cast consists of women, then I don't see the problem of one of them being weak and dependant.

My opinion on clichés:
As Ranger said, you can definitely add a new twist to make them interesting. As for pure clichés (without being rewritten), I think it depends how much of the story is based on clichés. A lot of stories will contain some clichés. If a story involves young people being sent on a quest to save the world, this is definitely overdone, but this doesn't make it a bad story: if the rest of the story and/or its characters are unique and interesting, then it doesn't matter to me that a certain aspect of the story is cliché. On the other hand, if your story has so many cliché characters and plot elements that it becomes predictable, this is probably to be avoided (unless you're trying to write a cliché or predictable story, of course).
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Coco Bunny » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:46 am

So!
I've just finished reading 1984

Along with Animal Farm, The Road and The Handmaid's Tale under my belt and a lot more to be read (Fatherland, Rendezvous with Rama, No Country for Old Men and a couple more), I'm apparently wayy above my reading level with all these A-level books!

I was hoping to discuss 1984 with some other people who've read and enjoyed/disliked it! Especially your interpretations on the ending.
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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Woogwoo Wren » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:06 pm

@coco Bunny. I've read Animal Farm but not 1984, so I can't help you sorry...


How long have you gone without writing?
Probably the longest I've been without writing since I've started writing more seriously is about a month, maybe two... Even then I'll often write little one-shots/drabbles.


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Re: { INKLINGS v.4 } A Thread For Writers

Postby Pyjaks » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:21 pm

What is your opinion on stereotypes and cliches?
I don't have much of an opinion other than I love reading stories that incorporate cliches and put their own twist on them. I'll never not love most cliches, if they're done well and proper.

I'll check it out, Wren ^_^
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