BWSDA Entry #2 by Eremite

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BWSDA Entry #2

Postby Eremite » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:01 pm

Opinions on the brindling? Too harsh? Too bold? Not defined enough? This is my preferred style of brindle but i'm interested in what the community likes/wants.

This hunk is an Isabella Brindle Piebald with ticking or...

Kbrkbr/ayas/bb/dd/Eem/gg/irir/pp/Spsp/Tt
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Re: BWSDA Entry #2

Postby Meoauniaea » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:25 pm

Eremite wrote:Opinions on the brindling? Too harsh? Too bold? Not defined enough? This is my preferred style of brindle but i'm interested in what the community likes/wants.


The brindling looks extremely accurate. I prefer this over the solid-style stripes.

Eremite wrote:This hunk is an Isabella Brindle Piebald with ticking or...

Kbrkbr/aay/bb/dd/Eem/gg/irir/pp/Spsp/Tt


I study canine genetics... and this is incorrect. We're going to ignore the incorrect gene notations for now because I assume the person you learned this from taught you wrong, but the color you have is actually as follows...

Black Brindle Extreme Piebald with Heavy Ticking
(Cream base. If the dog did not have kBr it would be a cream sable.)

Which is technically Ay-/B-/D-/spsp/TT using the previous genetics version (Which is what I use, it has simplified alleles and looks cleaner than the current accepted version. What you're using is SEVERAL versions behind but that's sadly normal in the canine genetics world.... three years of study have left me with the understanding that until a final version is released we will always have this issue.)

Here's the difference between the four black bases, illustrated: Black, Liver, Blue, and Isabella brindle on the left, in that order. Notice that an isabella brindle HAS NO BLACK--Isabella is a black base and overrides ALL black in the coat. (Other half of image is the merle equivalents for each color.)

Also, note that the ticking will show both Isabella and Cream. It's hard to tell if you've done this or not.

Overall, fantastic job, just keep in mind that black bases change all black in the coat. (And also the nose, but you had the nose the right color for an Isabella so kudos to you there!)




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Re: BWSDA Entry #2

Postby Eremite » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:15 pm

Eremite wrote:This hunk is an Isabella Brindle Piebald with ticking or...

Kbrkbr/aay/bb/dd/Eem/gg/irir/pp/Spsp/Tt


ymbryne wrote:I study canine genetics... and this is incorrect. We're going to ignore the incorrect gene notations for now because I assume the person you learned this from taught you wrong, but the color you have is actually as follows...

Black Brindle Extreme Piebald with Heavy Ticking
(Cream base. If the dog did not have kBr it would be a cream sable.)

Which is technically Ay-/B-/D-/spsp/TT using the previous genetics version (Which is what I use, it has simplified alleles and looks cleaner than the current accepted version. What you're using is SEVERAL versions behind but that's sadly normal in the canine genetics world.... three years of study have left me with the understanding that until a final version is released we will always have this issue.)

Here's the difference between the four black bases, illustrated: Black, Liver, Blue, and Isabella brindle on the left, in that order. Notice that an isabella brindle HAS NO BLACK--Isabella is a black base and overrides ALL black in the coat. (Other half of image is the merle equivalents for each color.)

Also, note that the ticking will show both Isabella and Cream. It's hard to tell if you've done this or not.

Overall, fantastic job, just keep in mind that black bases change all black in the coat. (And also the nose, but you had the nose the right color for an Isabella so kudos to you there!)



Thank you for the info. The breed has its own genetics found here which is used to genotype the dogs, any errors on notation are not in my control and can be taken up with the owner of the adopt, Canis, I am simply following what is required of me. My knowledge of genetics isn't extensive but I was taught my biology teacher(EdD in Biology, DSC, Marine biologist) so my knowledge is credited to her.

The extra a on the 'aay' is a typo on my part. The brindling, although difficult to tell is liver not black (isabella is set as the dilution of liver for this adopt, brindle pattern traditionally contains more melanin than the base and the dog is liver eumelanin, liver brindling).

Ticking is both isabella and cream, but it is faint (as intended).
Blame is a coward but self-righteous
A funny little creature hiding out in me
Hate is power with a price tag
A funny little creature screaming out in me
Listen to me
Fear is a liar but he's been right before
If you fight your shadow, you'll get lost in a war
Ambitions a champ, but he's also greedy
Drunk or sober he always wants more
I always want more
I always want more
Lust is beauty in a body bag
A funny little thing that's screaming "Just use me!"



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