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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby jacketgirl » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Azzy x Angel wrote:
I got a favor to ask a few of you. I've been in the LDS church my whole life. Born into it, baptized into it when I was 8, ect. ect. But... I don't know anymore. There is no way I'll leave this church, I was grown into it, it's all I've ever known. But... I'm not sure though if it's is true. I know I want to believe. I very much want to. My very fiber wants to go into reading the scriptures and knowing without a doubt that they are true. I want to know that there is life after death, and that I can reach the Celestial Kingdom. But I can't tell if I really truly believe, or if I'm just saying I do. How can you tell? I mean, only I can be the judge of that, and I truly don't know. I truly want to know though. ;-; I've been trying to read the scriptures every night, and I need to work on praying to my Heavenly Father.

I know I've felt the spirit before. But only so few times, and far between. How can I know those were the spirit? It... It's hard. I barely remember any spirit moments. My mom and dad were married in the temple, but my dad fell short afterwards. He left the church and became angry at it. So our household isn't really a 'household of faith'. All my siblings are LDS, but my dad... It makes a big difference. Just that one family member in the house changes our household of faith. Once he turns on the T.V., we have to be careful and maybe sometimes leave the room. If he is angry, we keep our distance and cover our ears. That might be one of the causes of my disbelief, but there is no one to blame but myself on this.

I know I'm not alone, and I want to see if some of you can help me? Send me links to good talks by the Prophet maybe? Share experiences? Anything that you think would help, I would really really be grateful. Because... I want to believe.

... Thanks.



~ Angel

Well, I grew up in the church and never thought I would struggle with it. But I committed a sin or two and I lost faith. I went to church but I didn't listen. I went to seminary but I didn't try. I watched conference but I didn't want to hear. I basically told God I wasn't interested. But then the sins led me deeper and deeper until I was faced with something I KNEW with all my heart would be a terrible sin, and I treaded lightly. I avoided it but then it hoped on me and crushed me like a ton of bricks. Eventually I told a friend who begged me to go to my bishop. I did and I started the repentance process.
I'm trying to pull myself in the church. I want to feel the spirit because I remember it's comfort. Now I got to church and treat everything like I'm learning it all over again. I found things in the church I knew was true and I'm using them to being me to believe others. For example President Packer, he is my favorite and I trust him. I trust what he says is true and I believe what he says. And then I listen. I learn everything over again. And I find myself slowly (but surely) making my way to a what I think is a testomy. (sp) I have a small goal that I try to reach and once I reach it I find a new goal. I know that as long as you want to believe and are willing to try you can do it. :]
Might I suggest putting Conference on your iPod. You can get it off the church website once conference is over and you can listen to one talk when you have some time. Then you don't have to sit there for too long and you have them all the time. It really helped me. Best of luck to you.
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby æchromatic » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:14 pm

Okay, could you guys help me a bit? My mind just has a really big problem with one thing. Why did God make people do animal sacrifices? It's just, I love animals (I'm not saying that you guys don't, though). The concept of killing an animal for someone appalls and disgusts me. Slaughtering an animal is just.... wrong to me. Even for religious purposes. Does anyone have a good answer to this? Thank you, if you respond :3
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby ~Firewolf~ » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:42 am

Azzy x Angel wrote:
jacketgirl wrote:How are you guys (and gals) liking General Conference? What's your favorite talk so far? My favorite is the one by President Packer. He's my favorite apostle. :]


President Packer was a hoot <3 Isn't he the one with the Young Raven and Old Raven Poem? I want to hear that again. xD

Other than that, I get really bored at General Conference. I listen to one or two of the talks, remember them as best as I can for the 'quiz' my mother gives me at the end, and I just can't stand it anymore. I either fall asleep or find something to fumble with (like a rubix cube or a ds). I just can't sit that long. Dx And I feel horrible because I'm not that in tune to the spirit, and I know I should listen for the sake of my testimony, and I try, but it's hard. It's just so.. Boring ;-;

I got a favor to ask a few of you. I've been in the LDS church my whole life. Born into it, baptized into it when I was 8, ect. ect. But... I don't know anymore. There is no way I'll leave this church, I was grown into it, it's all I've ever known. But... I'm not sure though if it's is true. I know I want to believe. I very much want to. My very fiber wants to go into reading the scriptures and knowing without a doubt that they are true. I want to know that there is life after death, and that I can reach the Celestial Kingdom. But I can't tell if I really truly believe, or if I'm just saying I do. How can you tell? I mean, only I can be the judge of that, and I truly don't know. I truly want to know though. ;-; I've been trying to read the scriptures every night, and I need to work on praying to my Heavenly Father.

I know I've felt the spirit before. But only so few times, and far between. How can I know those were the spirit? It... It's hard. I barely remember any spirit moments. My mom and dad were married in the temple, but my dad fell short afterwards. He left the church and became angry at it. So our household isn't really a 'household of faith'. All my siblings are LDS, but my dad... It makes a big difference. Just that one family member in the house changes our household of faith. Once he turns on the T.V., we have to be careful and maybe sometimes leave the room. If he is angry, we keep our distance and cover our ears. That might be one of the causes of my disbelief, but there is no one to blame but myself on this.

I know I'm not alone, and I want to see if some of you can help me? Send me links to good talks by the Prophet maybe? Share experiences? Anything that you think would help, I would really really be grateful. Because... I want to believe.

... Thanks.



~ Angel


My suggestion to you would be to read the Book of Mormon. I am like you. I've grown up in the church, was baptized at the young age of eight, and have attended church as often as possible. And, like you, I began to wonder if the church I was (and still am) attending is true.
In one of the church magazines, I remember finding a story of a young women who wanted to quit the church. Her Mother told her she could, but she had to read the Book of Mormon first, and then she could decide if she would remain in the church or quit. The girl quickly began reading it, and it wasn't long before she'd finished it. Her desire to quit the church had vanished. Originally, she had planned to go up to her Mother and tell her she still wanted to quit, but she couldn't. For she had felt truth in reading the Book of Mormon, and the young women knew it was true.
I am still reading the Book of Mormon, but it has already helped me so much. I hope this helped you, even a little bit, and I hope you find the answers you are searching for.
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby jacketgirl » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:22 am

Achromatic wrote: Okay, could you guys help me a bit? My mind just has a really big problem with one thing. Why did God make people do animal sacrifices? It's just, I love animals (I'm not saying that you guys don't, though). The concept of killing an animal for someone appalls and disgusts me. Slaughtering an animal is just.... wrong to me. Even for religious purposes. Does anyone have a good answer to this? Thank you, if you respond :3

I asked my seminary teacher about this a while ago and let me hope I get it right.
Animal sacrifices were commanded by God to Adam to do. (It's in the beginning of Genesis if you wish to read this.) Adam did them but didn't know why. An angel came to Adam and asked why he did that. Adam didn't know why and the angel explained that animal sacrifices were a representation of an innocent Christ giving his life for us. It was done so before the Atonement so that the world could remember that Christ would do that.
You may ask why did Heavenly Father chose animals to do this to and the answer to that is in the story of Cain and Able. Able give a fine young lamb and Cain gives some vegetables. God is not happy with Cain's sacrifice. The reason he was was because the animal represents Christ who was perfect and innocent. The vegetables were just vegetables.
I hope that explanation makes sense.
~Firewolf~ wrote:
Azzy x Angel wrote:
jacketgirl wrote:How are you guys (and gals) liking General Conference? What's your favorite talk so far? My favorite is the one by President Packer. He's my favorite apostle. :]


President Packer was a hoot <3 Isn't he the one with the Young Raven and Old Raven Poem? I want to hear that again. xD

Other than that, I get really bored at General Conference. I listen to one or two of the talks, remember them as best as I can for the 'quiz' my mother gives me at the end, and I just can't stand it anymore. I either fall asleep or find something to fumble with (like a rubix cube or a ds). I just can't sit that long. Dx And I feel horrible because I'm not that in tune to the spirit, and I know I should listen for the sake of my testimony, and I try, but it's hard. It's just so.. Boring ;-;

I got a favor to ask a few of you. I've been in the LDS church my whole life. Born into it, baptized into it when I was 8, ect. ect. But... I don't know anymore. There is no way I'll leave this church, I was grown into it, it's all I've ever known. But... I'm not sure though if it's is true. I know I want to believe. I very much want to. My very fiber wants to go into reading the scriptures and knowing without a doubt that they are true. I want to know that there is life after death, and that I can reach the Celestial Kingdom. But I can't tell if I really truly believe, or if I'm just saying I do. How can you tell? I mean, only I can be the judge of that, and I truly don't know. I truly want to know though. ;-; I've been trying to read the scriptures every night, and I need to work on praying to my Heavenly Father.

I know I've felt the spirit before. But only so few times, and far between. How can I know those were the spirit? It... It's hard. I barely remember any spirit moments. My mom and dad were married in the temple, but my dad fell short afterwards. He left the church and became angry at it. So our household isn't really a 'household of faith'. All my siblings are LDS, but my dad... It makes a big difference. Just that one family member in the house changes our household of faith. Once he turns on the T.V., we have to be careful and maybe sometimes leave the room. If he is angry, we keep our distance and cover our ears. That might be one of the causes of my disbelief, but there is no one to blame but myself on this.

I know I'm not alone, and I want to see if some of you can help me? Send me links to good talks by the Prophet maybe? Share experiences? Anything that you think would help, I would really really be grateful. Because... I want to believe.

... Thanks.



~ Angel


My suggestion to you would be to read the Book of Mormon. I am like you. I've grown up in the church, was baptized at the young age of eight, and have attended church as often as possible. And, like you, I began to wonder if the church I was (and still am) attending is true.
In one of the church magazines, I remember finding a story of a young women who wanted to quit the church. Her Mother told her she could, but she had to read the Book of Mormon first, and then she could decide if she would remain in the church or quit. The girl quickly began reading it, and it wasn't long before she'd finished it. Her desire to quit the church had vanished. Originally, she had planned to go up to her Mother and tell her she still wanted to quit, but she couldn't. For she had felt truth in reading the Book of Mormon, and the young women knew it was true.
I am still reading the Book of Mormon, but it has already helped me so much. I hope this helped you, even a little bit, and I hope you find the answers you are searching for.

I forgot about that story. I think it was in the New Era. I liked it a lot.
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby SavatheWolf » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:22 am

I have a lot of problem to. I don't do Personal Progress like I should, and I am having a hard time establishing a daily scripture reading. Then I realized that we all have our struggles in faith, however big or small. So I just hold on to the few spiritual experiences I have and question the church daily. I always prove God to be true. Maybe I don't know if the church is true with all my heart, but I think I feel better about it every day. There was a talk in one of the General Conferences a looooong time ago about how it takes time and experience to build a testimony. And honestly, I believe it. I see wavering faith especially in the younger generation, and with my parents and the elderly of my church, you can actually see how much stronger their faith is. (And I totally agree, after a few talks General Conference is really boring. So I pretty much stop listening after an hour, and usually only listen to whatever catches my interest. Having something to keep my hands busy really helps though)
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby Jizabel (Ephona) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:06 am

Amen to all that has been said.
And, for the record, we don't do animal sacrifices nowadays. Since the Atonement, all we need to do is take the Sacrament which is just bread and water. No animal flesh.

FFFT...I live in Utah and I am SO excited about the Provo Tabernacle Temple. I mean...what a better way to make up for that tragedy?
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby Huffy-The-Squid » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:17 am

Well, we walked out of church when conference was "over" and my two-year old brother was in tears.
2 year old brother: Me go home?
Mom: Yes...
Two year old brother: No. Me go home no!!!!
Mom: Yes...
Brother: No, me want more church
hahaha it was hilarious, but he was crying so at the same time :(


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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby æchromatic » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:29 am

Jizabel (Ephona) wrote:Amen to all that has been said.
And, for the record, we don't do animal sacrifices nowadays. Since the Atonement, all we need to do is take the Sacrament which is just bread and water. No animal flesh.

FFFT...I live in Utah and I am SO excited about the Provo Tabernacle Temple. I mean...what a better way to make up for that tragedy?
Something Pres. Monson didn't mention is that in the fire, they found a picture. It was burned to blackness except for the picture of Jesus in the middle.
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews ... .image.jpg


I know we don't do animal sacrifices now, but I just have trouble praying to someone that has ever commanded anyone to kill an animal. Sorry if I'm coming across as rude, I just have trouble praying to someone who has commanded people to do animal sacrifices before...
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please let me paint a mental picture portrait
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby TranquilKitty » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:55 pm

Here's an answer for your question about animal sacrifice.
"And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adm, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto the him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me.
And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full o grace and truth."
Book of Moses PGP 5:6-7

I was awake for most of conference. I've been sick all weekend though so I've also slept through quite a bit of it. I'll be reading some of it online though.
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Re: The CS Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Postby Forever Lost » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:22 pm

I watched both sessions yesterday, but didn't get a chance to watch today.
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