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Re: Atheists

Postby Something Diabolical » Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:42 am

I've heard people say that. Well, something along the lines of "I'm right, and you're wrong/My religion is right and you are wrong because the Bible says so/God says so.
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Re: Atheists

Postby Atwood » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:25 am

Yes, I hear that argument all the time, actually. >.< Usually in answer to the question "So why is your religion the true one but [insert other religion here] isn't?" Almost always, the answer is 'because the bible says so' or 'because God has said so', which completely ignores the fact that every religion based on the bible states absolutely that the bible agrees with it, and every religion believes it's the only one truly endorsed by God (or Allah, Yahweh, etc). If you point this out, the answer is "Well, the others are all mistaken in their readings or deceived by the devil". I've had this conversation many times, and I'm always both amused and irritated by how consistent it is. :roll: I'd say it's the most frequent argument for supporting one specific religion over others that I come across.
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Re: Atheists

Postby ~Kaleidoscope~ » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:10 am

deathangel32 wrote:I've heard people say that. Well, something along the lines of "I'm right, and you're wrong/My religion is right and you are wrong because the Bible says so/God says so.

I've heard them say that too :( . It's kind of disappointing when people do that, because I feel like, "oh no, not another one that's going to flash insults at me on a daily basis."
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Re: Atheists

Postby Nyhne » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:42 am

Onishii wrote:Also, many religions are against gay marriage and homosexuality. Remember when something like this happened? Let's take the Great Migration as an example.
"Oh, we persecuted the Puritans because they wanted to reform the Church."

How about the Quakers?
"Oh, we persecuted the Quakers because they wanted religious tolerance."

Guess what: homosexuality isn't wrong. So what if you love someone of the same gender? At least you've found someone you love, right? Isn't that enough?


Yes, I most certainly agree with you. Also a reason I am Independent/Democrat

Churches (and I'm definitely not saying all) that turn down or shun a lesbian or gay man kind of disgusts me. According to the Bible, isn't everyone's God's people? (not that I believe in God, but you know...^^;)
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Re: Atheists

Postby Arzukael » Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:19 pm

I'm a Pastafarian!
;D
Er...I mean, Atheist.
[/grins]
I attend a Catholic high school, and I've had Catholic education since I entered Kindergarten.
It makes me laugh, really.
I became Atheist when I was 9.
Everyone asks me what happened to make me "lose faith", and I just tell them I never had it and that I just faced reality.
They should do the same.
[/nods]
Soo yeah.
I get the whole "what? You don't believe in a God?!" reaction, too.
And it's really annoying.
[/shrugs]
Ah, well.
Only 1 more year of that hell, then I'm free of it.
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Re: Atheists

Postby Jemma-Jo » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:49 am

I'm a Christian but I can certainly understand people's difference in beliefs and quite frankly people that can't accept other people for whatever beliefs they have are so pitiable. I go to a mostly atheist school and some of my best friends are atheists. They came to my Confirmation. A religion doesn't make a whole person and even though most of my classmates are atheists I respect the heck out of them because they are smart, articulate, good people who I can appreciate. I even understand where they are coming from in most of our debates.

Not being part of a religion doesn't make you a bad person by defult. Religions endorse morals, they didn't create them. I can think of many athiests who did wonderful things, many christians who did awful things and vice versa. A person isn't made by their beliefs and if someone is going to be as blind as to discriminate then they miss out on meeting many wonderful people.

So please don't think all Christians are dogmatic fools who can't see past their interpretation of the Bible. We're not all that blinded.
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Re: Atheists

Postby Something Diabolical » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:45 pm

Jemma-Jo wrote:I'm a Christian but I can certainly understand people's difference in beliefs and quite frankly people that can't accept other people for whatever beliefs they have are so pitiable. I go to a mostly atheist school and some of my best friends are atheists. They came to my Confirmation. A religion doesn't make a whole person and even though most of my classmates are atheists I respect the heck out of them because they are smart, articulate, good people who I can appreciate. I even understand where they are coming from in most of our debates.

Not being part of a religion doesn't make you a bad person by defult. Religions endorse morals, they didn't create them. I can think of many athiests who did wonderful things, many christians who did awful things and vice versa. A person isn't made by their beliefs and if someone is going to be as blind as to discriminate then they miss out on meeting many wonderful people.

So please don't think all Christians are dogmatic fools who can't see past their interpretation of the Bible. We're not all that blinded.

You're right, not all Christians are dogmatic fools, but some are.
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Almost, at times, the Fool."

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Re: Atheists

Postby Jemma-Jo » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:55 pm

deathangel32 wrote:
Jemma-Jo wrote:I'm a Christian but I can certainly understand people's difference in beliefs and quite frankly people that can't accept other people for whatever beliefs they have are so pitiable. I go to a mostly atheist school and some of my best friends are atheists. They came to my Confirmation. A religion doesn't make a whole person and even though most of my classmates are atheists I respect the heck out of them because they are smart, articulate, good people who I can appreciate. I even understand where they are coming from in most of our debates.

Not being part of a religion doesn't make you a bad person by default. Religions endorse morals, they didn't create them. I can think of many atheists who did wonderful things, many Christians who did awful things and vice versa. A person isn't made by their beliefs and if someone is going to be as blind as to discriminate then they miss out on meeting many wonderful people.

So please don't think all Christians are dogmatic fools who can't see past their interpretation of the Bible. We're not all that blinded.

You're right, not all Christians are dogmatic fools, but some are.


Yeah. I'm not going to dispute that- but some Athiests are as well. Its a personal thing, not nessasarily about what religion you hold, but more about how you are a person. Can you live and let live or can you not leave well enough alone? I guess thats my point. What I say to everyone.
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Re: Atheists

Postby ~Kaleidoscope~ » Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:42 pm

Jemma-Jo wrote:
deathangel32 wrote:
Jemma-Jo wrote:I'm a Christian but I can certainly understand people's difference in beliefs and quite frankly people that can't accept other people for whatever beliefs they have are so pitiable. I go to a mostly atheist school and some of my best friends are atheists. They came to my Confirmation. A religion doesn't make a whole person and even though most of my classmates are atheists I respect the heck out of them because they are smart, articulate, good people who I can appreciate. I even understand where they are coming from in most of our debates.

Not being part of a religion doesn't make you a bad person by default. Religions endorse morals, they didn't create them. I can think of many atheists who did wonderful things, many Christians who did awful things and vice versa. A person isn't made by their beliefs and if someone is going to be as blind as to discriminate then they miss out on meeting many wonderful people.

So please don't think all Christians are dogmatic fools who can't see past their interpretation of the Bible. We're not all that blinded.

You're right, not all Christians are dogmatic fools, but some are.


Yeah. I'm not going to dispute that- but some Athiests are as well. Its a personal thing, not nessasarily about what religion you hold, but more about how you are a person. Can you live and let live or can you not leave well enough alone? I guess thats my point. What I say to everyone.

Put it this way: no one is extremely good. There's never been a person like that, never will be. Everyone had badness inside them, some a lot more then others.
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Re: Atheists

Postby Toastberg » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:15 am

Mm, even though I haven't had any part in this thread I'm just going to randomly show up and point out that God making the world in a week and the big bang theory may well both have happened. (I'm Christian btw)
So, everyone knows the Bible says the world was made in a week, but all the fossil stuff says the world has been here thousands of years, and scientists reckon there was a lot more before those fossils. Well, so do I. A lot longer than 7 days. But I think it's probably symbolic, like most of the things in Revelations. One "day" was probably actually a few million years, and so there may well have geen a gigantic bang which God had intended to happen. That is the main reason most of my friends don't beleive in the Bible or God, so I just thought I'd point it out here, too.

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