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The Batman wrote:Atwood wrote:Earlier someone posted a story that was falsely attributed to Einstein, with the story having him defending the idea of a personal god and specifically stating he was a Christian. I posted in response to say the story was almost certainly fake (or at least wrongly attributed), since Einstein was actually very vocal about not believing in a personal god and was not Christian at all (he was Jewish by birth), and used the quotes to show exactly where I was drawing this conclusion about his beliefs from. ;3
1) Jewish by birth just means that he was born in Israel, or both of his parents where from Israel. Jewish is also a religion but somebody can't be a religion by birth.
2) Jews do believe in God, but they don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah.
I'll read the post of Einsteins quote and come back to you.
Atwood wrote:@1: Erm, no. X3 Not at all. Einstein was German, his parents were German, and his ancestry was German (back to 1750 at the very least), and they were also all Jewish. His parents were non-observant Jews, and he was genetically Jewish but not a follower of Judaism. While it's true that people aren't any religion by birth and are simply the child of _____ parents, the child of two Jewish parents is Jewish by descent, regardless of their religious beliefs or those of their parents. Whether they choose to follow Judaism is up to them, but regardless of their religion, they are still genetically Jewish, since it's a genetic ethnicity (almost all modern Jews trace back to a founding population in Israel about 3000 years ago). So, Einstein was Jewish by genetic descent, German by birth, and agnostic/deistic in religion.
@2: Judaism is based on belief in God. Individual Jews (as in 'people of Jewish descent') may not necessarily hold this belief.
It wasn't meant as a debate point - I was just pointing out that the 'Einstein was a Christian who believed in a personal God' story was wrong.
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The Indigo Sorceress wrote:No but a lot of people do think that. It can be anywhere; in my case, it's a bunch of people from the same church living in a certain neighborhood on the same few blocks (I live in a city) and sort of sharing our lives together. We have frequent potlucks and we just sort of live in our own little village. We also pool all our income together and divide it evenly so that everyone has equal wealth and we all care for each other. It's quite cool actually. We live very simply and also this is a bit of a bad neighborhood but we came here deliberately so that we could help the people who live here through ministry work.
The Indigo Sorceress wrote:No but a lot of people do think that. It can be anywhere; in my case, it's a bunch of people from the same church living in a certain neighborhood on the same few blocks (I live in a city) and sort of sharing our lives together. We have frequent potlucks and we just sort of live in our own little village. We also pool all our income together and divide it evenly so that everyone has equal wealth and we all care for each other. It's quite cool actually. We live very simply and also this is a bit of a bad neighborhood but we came here deliberately so that we could help the people who live here through ministry work.
Shine wrote:The Indigo Sorceress wrote:No but a lot of people do think that. It can be anywhere; in my case, it's a bunch of people from the same church living in a certain neighborhood on the same few blocks (I live in a city) and sort of sharing our lives together. We have frequent potlucks and we just sort of live in our own little village. We also pool all our income together and divide it evenly so that everyone has equal wealth and we all care for each other. It's quite cool actually. We live very simply and also this is a bit of a bad neighborhood but we came here deliberately so that we could help the people who live here through ministry work.
I love that, that's just fantastic!!
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