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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby SamhokuFoopets » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:21 pm

I can look it up sometime....I need to go to bed soon so not tonight. I always heard he was a Jew.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Atwood » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:35 pm

Pretty sure that story about Einstein is a fake. ;3
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)

His 'god' was the sense of wonder and awe he felt when studying the universe, and he was quite against the whole idea of a personified deity (he could be rather insulting about it, actually).
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Harpalyce » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:39 pm

I really hate the copy-paste stories like that. I'm sorry, but I do. Relying on fictional stories of real-world people to try and guide people to Christ is always a bad idea. It just encourages the idea that we like pretty stories and don't care about fact, and makes them think we value the Gospel as just a pleasant little storybook and believe that Jesus was fictional and/or just a mortal man instead of God incarnate.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Supernuk » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:46 pm

Atwood wrote:Pretty sure that story about Einstein is a fake. ;3
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)

His 'god' was the sense of wonder and awe he felt when studying the universe, and he was quite against the whole idea of a personified deity (he could be rather insulting about it, actually).

For some reason this seems to be a little more Einstein-ish. But people do change over the life time. Truth is only God knows the heart. We don't know his last thoughts.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Atwood » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:04 pm

Supernuk48 wrote:
Atwood wrote:Pretty sure that story about Einstein is a fake. ;3
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)

His 'god' was the sense of wonder and awe he felt when studying the universe, and he was quite against the whole idea of a personified deity (he could be rather insulting about it, actually).

For some reason this seems to be a little more Einstein-ish. But people do change over the life time. Truth is only God knows the heart. We don't know his last thoughts.

But we do definitely know that the copy-paste story was not his last thoughts, nor probably his early or middle thoughts either. X3 He stopped believing in a personal god when he was twelve, which he said was a tremendous liberation to him and something he never regretted:
The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.

He did admire Jesus, but only as a person, and he seems to have held only contempt and disgust for churches. As for his last thoughts, whatever they were, they were expressed in German. Unfortunately, they were said to a person who didn't speak German and promptly forgot them, so we'll never know. As far as can be seen though, he was an unapologetic disbeliever in personified gods his entire adult life.

I should point out though that Einstein also wasn't a fan of 'fanatical atheism', and disliked being quoted in support of that, too. He saw it as the flip side of religious fanaticism, with each as bad as the other because both had shut their minds to the wonder of the universe:
...I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth.

The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'—cannot hear the music of the spheres.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Supernuk » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:14 pm

Well yes of course those weren't his last (or even his because I've heard so many names posted at the end if that exact story). What I'm saying is we don't know for sure, 100%. To be truthful, I don't think he was a Christian or even converted but I don't know it for sure. Theres a chance that he could have converted as he took his final breathes but how are we to know if it was in his heart? Possible, not likely
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For I am Yours and You are mine

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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Atwood » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:32 pm

Supernuk48 wrote:Well yes of course those weren't his last (or even his because I've heard so many names posted at the end if that exact story). What I'm saying is we don't know for sure, 100%. To be truthful, I don't think he was a Christian or even converted but I don't know it for sure. Theres a chance that he could have converted as he took his final breathes but how are we to know if it was in his heart? Possible, not likely

You could just as easily say perhaps Pope Gregory decided in his last private thoughts that he actually didn't believe in a god at all, or that he had the sudden inspiration that it had been Krishna all along. =/ It really doesn't have any relevance because it's completely impossible to know. I suspect that a lot of people die with the last thought of "... there is no god." And probably quite a few other people die with the last thought that there is one (or more). Either way, it's irrelevant to their life. If someone was a firm agnostic almost their entire life and never said otherwise, they should be considered as one, just the same as if someone was a firm Christian most of their life and never said otherwise, regardless of what they may or may not have privately thought in their last moments.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Kiliann » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:23 pm

Atwood wrote:
Supernuk48 wrote:Well yes of course those weren't his last (or even his because I've heard so many names posted at the end if that exact story). What I'm saying is we don't know for sure, 100%. To be truthful, I don't think he was a Christian or even converted but I don't know it for sure. Theres a chance that he could have converted as he took his final breathes but how are we to know if it was in his heart? Possible, not likely

You could just as easily say perhaps Pope Gregory decided in his last private thoughts that he actually didn't believe in a god at all, or that he had the sudden inspiration that it had been Krishna all along. =/ It really doesn't have any relevance because it's completely impossible to know. I suspect that a lot of people die with the last thought of "... there is no god." And probably quite a few other people die with the last thought that there is one (or more). Either way, it's irrelevant to their life. If someone was a firm agnostic almost their entire life and never said otherwise, they should be considered as one, just the same as if someone was a firm Christian most of their life and never said otherwise, regardless of what they may or may not have privately thought in their last moments.

Yes, completely agreed.
Now, if they did convert just before they died, it isn't completely irrelevant- they've become a believer, and that's what counts! But the fact that we'll never know until we die and get to heaven makes it very irrelevant to us earth-dwellers.There are many, many identical stories about people converting in their dying breaths, or renouncing faith before they left this earth. But like Atwood has said, it doesn't exactly reveal anything. They've been a firm believer/agnostic/atheist/buddhist their whole life- and that is honestly what they've counted for and what they've accomplished. Accepting Christ? Great!
But if it happens just before they die, it hasn't made much of an impact on the earth, and even though it's a good thing, it's irrelevant to most, especially non-believers.
I'm not trying to bash stories such as these, I'm just saying they don't really matter at the moment- though in heaven, they really will.
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Paintedbythewind » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:36 pm

Mr. Rat wrote:
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Ƥαιитɛ∂Ɯιи∂ wrote:Hey guys, my dog just killed a poisonous frog/toad, and she's throwing up and isn't looking well at all....I will DIE without this dog she's my best friend please pray for her!

Have you taken her to the vet? If not, please do so, immediately.

I agree, if this is serious your dog could get stay this ill without medical attention. While it is nice to ask God to help out I feel it is a far better idea to take your pet to a vet and not rely solely on faith.

Ya I took her to the vet! and she's fine! Thanks so much!
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Re: Christians on CS!

Postby Riah. » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:09 am

Atwood wrote:Pretty sure that story about Einstein is a fake. ;3
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)

His 'god' was the sense of wonder and awe he felt when studying the universe, and he was quite against the whole idea of a personified deity (he could be rather insulting about it, actually).



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