Do You Believe In Ghosts???

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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Lucid Dreamer » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:35 am

ok so i was watchin this ghost documentry on TV and it showed a ghost pushing a beer glass of a table, it was caught on CCTV, this is what happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qz16nI1sQc so, do you think its real? or not real?
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Draikinator » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:36 am

The same logic applies to you, though. As a believer you see proof everywhere. We're both biased.
I believe in science,logic, and proof. If ghosts were real, we would have proof, not spoky stories and sounds in the night and pictures that may or may not be real.
Additionally, the woman in that photograph looks completely concrete. Like an alie lady standing in the window. All the other 'proof' pictures you post have translucent ghosty mist people- see through. Why the inconsitency then? Are ghosts corporeal or are they see-through?
You can't trust an article that comes from something called 'hanutingreview,' because the source is BIASED. They blatantly want to see ghosts, want them to be real, so that's the opinion they have when the look at evidence.
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Lucid Dreamer » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:37 am

have to watched my vid??? and i know, everyone had ther own opians, its like someone who believes in fariys for instance, they will find proof, but when you have experienced what i have, you know they are real.
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Draikinator » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:38 am

Oh, sorry, and on the video, I'll quote from the comments.
"Or it could be the same thing that happens to me at the restaurant all the time: when there's a little bit of water on the table that in a sense carries the glass to the waters edge and stops. It's just the physics. Physics also explains the tape circulating showing the bar tap-hose that mysteriously unhooks and pauses in mid-air before falling. The garden hose does the exact same thing with pressure built up in the line."
He's right. If you put a glass in a small bit of water on a table it will move. It happens all the time, it's physics and gravity, that's not proof of a ghost.
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Lucid Dreamer » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:46 am

ok, then how about this???? BTW it has swearing in the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=V3p ... =endscreen
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Draikinator » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:26 am

That's staged.
"Pranksters wanted! Do you like to prank people? Do you like to watch others being pranked? Go ahead and grab your camera and record your friends watching this video, or choose from a playlist of videos once you catch one of your friends on camera getting the wits scared out of them (because its funny), go ahead and post that video as a response to the video you pranked them with. I will then share with all my subscribers so everyone can have some epic lols."
The purpose of that channel is to post fake scary videos and watch people's reactions when they see them. Staging that would be very simple.
Look, I don't mind debating and I'm very open to possibilities, but if you're going to provide evidence you need to double check your sources before you do so.

Now, okay, here, let me provide something. Your name is Lucid Dreamer, so I can only assume you know something about Lucid Dreaming. for the sake of others reading I'll explain.
Lucid dreaming is when you are aware you are dreaming. There are a few types of lucid dreams, but I'll only explain two here. WILD, and DILD. DILD is Dream Induced Lucid Dreaming, and it's your average run of the mill, I was dreaming and then I realized I was asleep lucid dream. You just happen to notice you're not awake. WILD is, well, wildly different. WILD means Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming and it's when you consciously put effort into forcing yourself to dream lucidly. A brief overview of the process includes lying very still and tricking your body into thinking it's sleeping so that it induces sleep paralysis before you actually fall asleep, so when you open your eyes and your brain realizes it forgot to turn you off, it course corrects, and you immediately hit REM sleep, the kind where you dream. Often because you just suddenly are dreaming your consciousness doesn't have time to reset so you are aware you are sleeping and can manipulate your dream.
So a lucid dreamer would know all about sleep paralysis and most likely night terrors. Sleep paralysis is COMPLETELY natural and happens to almost EVERYONE ALL THE TIME. When you are in REM sleep, wher eyou dream, your body 'locks' so that you can't move, to keep you from flailing wildly and hurting yourself in real life because oyu're running or jumping or flying in your dream. However, it occasionally happens that you wake up before breaking sleep paralysis. So let's say someone is sleeping, and is suddenly awoke by a noise or a chill- their body is unable to move because of sleep paralysis. Since you've just been in REM sleep your brian is still acting up- it is overwhelmingly common that people awaking in this paralyzed state hallucinate and make up reaosns for the fact that they can't move, IE, a ghost holding them down, or a demon sitting on their chest. Anything. There's dozens of reports of this, I've had it happen to me. If you don't know what sleep paralysis is, then you don't know what's happening so you make it up. That's where a lot of the "I woke up and saw a ghost" or "i woke up and a ghost was sitting on my chest" stories come from, and those are very very common.
Night Terrors, as you may know, are similar to nightmares, but much, much worse. A night terror, unlike a nightmare, does NOT end when you wake up. You wake up but you are still convinced the dream world is the real one and react accordingly- I used to be very active in a paranormal forum for the lucid dreaming/night terror topics, and I remember hearing a lot of stories. One guy woke up from a night terror where he was a soldier and there was a grenade, he woke up and stumbled screaming out of bed and grabbed a plastic submarine and closed his body around it, thinking, screaming in his head, I must protect my comrades, I must protect my comrades, because he honestly thought the toy was a grenade. One girl I knew awoke in the night from a night terror she did not recall, and was under the impression her roommate was going to kill her. She went out to the hall and grabbed a combat knife, and wasa at his door before she realized what was happening.
Now, people who don't know what night terrors are can often get confused about what happens in them and around them. They have a night terror and they find ghosts int heir house and react accordingly and never realize they were not lucid- that they were just having a waking nightmare.
From the evidence, we can deduce that the majority of "I woke up to a ghost in the night" stories can be attributed to one of these two factors since they have been proven to delude people statistically into believing they have seen a ghost or a demon when they have not. This of course does not disprove all ghost stories, merely debunks a certain type. Thoughts?
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Onew~ » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:33 am

I agree with Draikinator. If you want to get a legitimate source, it can't be biased. Because there's two biased sides here. Googling "real ghost pictures" doesn't do anything, and that picture of the old woman just looks like a normal old woman standing in a window, photobombin' them, honestly.

Honestly, pictures/videos don't do justice anymore. Not when we have this technology.
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby xKingKade » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:23 am

I totally believe in ghosts. when I was younger... I saw this girl on my window seal, staring outside, she looked scary, she would sit there every night. I do also feel air breathing on me at night... i don't have a dog, but I have a cat. she usually runs and hisses at the air. D:
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Lucid Dreamer » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:29 am

i was born with been able to lucid dream, i can control my dreams and also when i am dreaming i can tell that i am dreaming, but i have NEVER had a night terror where i have woken up feelin as though a 'devil' is sitting on me or i have thought something was happening to me, anything remotly like that has happened to me.
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Re: Do You Believe In Ghosts???

Postby Draikinator » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Everyone is born with the ability to lucid dream, lucid dreaming is not a supernatural ability. It's like riding a bike, anyone can do it if you know how. I hate to break it to you, but it's not exactly a special skill. I can lucid dream. It's fairly simple once you get the hang of it.
Like I said, night terrors are where you wake up thinking the dream hasn't ended, SLEEP PARALYSIS is where you wake up unable to move. That is a fairly uncommon thing to happen and if you know what it is you won't hallucinate because you have your explanation. Perhaps it's not happened to you- it's not happened to me either- but happens to other people, constantly.
Here are some sources.
WedMD: http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/fe ... he-bedroom
Daily mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... lions.html
You can google the phenomenon to get more information, but studies suggest that around 40% of people encounter waking sleep paralysis at least once in there life, and that it has been proven to cause hallucinations of demons, ghosts, or other supposed supernatural entities.
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