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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby ReadingIndigo » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:41 am

SecretsLive wrote:
Dog are now being breed to be companions, think of chihuahuas and yorkies, were they bred to not mbe companions? Dogs are companion animals now. Not food. I don't care what you guys say, yes I agree that horses are no better than cows and dogs are no better than anything else, but have you ever seen a cow rescue a person from a frozen pond? Dogs save people and were bred over many years to become companions, from hunter to friend. Yes, pigs are very intelligent, but honestly, is it my fault that we eat them? Nope. Attack someone else.


Actually, some historians believe chihuahuas were bred for food. And no one's attacking you.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby harley.quinn » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:04 pm

Cheshire <3 wrote:Cows can be ridden,cows can be comapanions.Yet,we still eat them.Just because horses are used for different reasons in the United States such as eating,cows are sacred in India.Same with pigs.Pigs are very intellegent creatures,yet we eat them still.

Also,to kill humans is murder,therfore illegal.Animals are not as intellegent as us,so they don't know they're being sent to a slaughter house.I myself do not support inhumane slaughtering,but as long as it's humane I'm all for it.


Well you just said that pigs are intellegent then you said animals aren't intellegent. Which is true? And it does sound like you are all ganging up on/attacking SecretsLive. Actually horses can be companions, some people are calmed down just by brushing/riding their horse. Horses, dogs, and cats were meant to be friends. If you want to keep a cow or a pig as a pet no one is stopping you, go ahead. Though I am going to keep all cats and dogs and horses as pets. Don't just go around saying animals don't have a purpose for whatever reason crosses your mind first. And some dogs/cats are too small to make a meal out of. Like chihuahuahs.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby ReadingIndigo » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:25 pm

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Cheshire <3 wrote:Cows can be ridden,cows can be comapanions.Yet,we still eat them.Just because horses are used for different reasons in the United States such as eating,cows are sacred in India.Same with pigs.Pigs are very intellegent creatures,yet we eat them still.

Also,to kill humans is murder,therfore illegal.Animals are not as intellegent as us,so they don't know they're being sent to a slaughter house.I myself do not support inhumane slaughtering,but as long as it's humane I'm all for it.


Well you just said that pigs are intellegent then you said animals aren't intellegent. Which is true? And it does sound like you are all ganging up on/attacking SecretsLive. Actually horses can be companions, some people are calmed down just by brushing/riding their horse. Horses, dogs, and cats were meant to be friends. If you want to keep a cow or a pig as a pet no one is stopping you, go ahead. Though I am going to keep all cats and dogs and horses as pets. Don't just go around saying animals don't have a purpose for whatever reason crosses your mind first. And some dogs/cats are too small to make a meal out of. Like chihuahuahs.


1. She said animals weren't as intelligent as humans. Not that they were unintelligent. 2. Secrets isn't being attacked or ganged up on. We're simply challenging her argument. It's a debate thread. Expecting something different is foolish. 3. Originally, horses were never meant to be friends. They were a food source or a worker. A dog was a friend, but also a food source. The cat, on the other hand, was originally a friend. So props to that one. 4. Chihuahuas actually were bred as a food source.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby SecretsLive » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:05 pm

ReadingIndigo wrote:1. She said animals weren't as intelligent as humans. Not that they were unintelligent. 2. Secrets isn't being attacked or ganged up on. We're simply challenging her argument. It's a debate thread. Expecting something different is foolish. 3. Originally, horses were never meant to be friends. They were a food source or a worker. A dog was a friend, but also a food source. The cat, on the other hand, was originally a friend. So props to that one. 4. Chihuahuas actually were bred as a food source.



Yes, chihuahuas were probably bred to be meat before we discovered having animals as companions. The same goes for horses and other dogs.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby MitziBetta » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:32 pm

Personally, I wouldn't eat an animal that would be marked as a pet. If the slaughter is done humanely, however, I have nothing against those people who actually do eat them as a way of culture or life. Animals were bred to be meat before we discovered them as companions, so I don't understand why the same idea would be considered inhumane in this generation. I agree that the way the slaughter houses kill these animals is inhumane, but the idea itself isn't because if you think about it, everything eats another creature on this Earth for the sake of survival.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby ReadingIndigo » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:36 pm

SecretsLive wrote:
ReadingIndigo wrote:1. She said animals weren't as intelligent as humans. Not that they were unintelligent. 2. Secrets isn't being attacked or ganged up on. We're simply challenging her argument. It's a debate thread. Expecting something different is foolish. 3. Originally, horses were never meant to be friends. They were a food source or a worker. A dog was a friend, but also a food source. The cat, on the other hand, was originally a friend. So props to that one. 4. Chihuahuas actually were bred as a food source.



Yes, chihuahuas were probably bred to be meat before we discovered having animals as companions. The same goes for horses and other dogs.


So? It's still a valid food source. Just because we discovered a second use, doesn't mean the first one still isn't excellent.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby Imzadi83 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:18 pm

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Saying some pets are for eating and some are for pets is discrimination. Like black and white, do you really wanna start that all over again with animals? If you eat too many they could become endangered, look around at all the endangered species, they all became endangered because of us.

Pets, lets say dogs, are protected by humans.
We keep man's best friend behind bars in pet stores, in fences, and in our homes.
Sometimes those protections fail, that is why there is a vet.
I don't see how dogs will go extinct any time soon with all those protections.
All endangered animals are wild, have you noticed that? They were not bred to be domesticated.

Saying eating pets is sick/cruel/etc. is just being close minded, and you have no right to say that unless you are a vegan, not just a vegitarian.
Vegitarians eat eggs, they have the possibility to be a chicken, so isnt that 'murder' of a baby chicken, then?
Meat eaters might eat a dog, that has the possibility of being a pet, it's the same.

nagema wrote:i feel sick from this topic so i have to leave. I can'T believe how many people are like this though.

You never answered my question-
are you a vegitarian/vegan?


Chickens (and most birds) can and do lay unfertilized eggs that will never be a baby bird. When birds realize their egg is a dud they toss it out of the nest because they know it will not hatch and will only rot and pollute the nest. So you can eat eggs and not be killing anything.

As far as people mentioning cannablism, personally I would rather starve to death then eat a pet or one of my children. A man in an early american colony during a horrible winter dug up his wife (who died of natural causes) and ate her. He was caught an proscuted in some way (I can't remember exactly) The story A Day No Pigs Would Die deals with the idea of eating a pet who loved and trusted her owners. Maybe if my pet cow died of natural causes and we were truly starving I might consider it if I had children but I'd have to be pretty desperate even then. I rembering seeing a cartoon that was about a person who was starving who at his pet. The pet was a plant but still it was a cartoon so the pet was a moving interacting pet. I still cringe at the thought.

I know it's a little of track as eating something that was bred for food (regardless of species) then of eating your own pet or something (regardless of species) that was the pet of someone else. But the title of this thread does put the latter thought into your mind.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby ---- » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:30 pm

Just because we're okay with eating dogs, cats, horses and etc. that doesn't mean we're okay with eating our own kind. Animals and humans are two different matters and really guys, don't promote or encourage cannibalism. :/ It saddens me when people always bring up humans in a negative light in almost every single animal debate topics, especially about hunting them because we're overpopulated and animals are here before us and etc. and etc... Let's not move over to cannibalism please.

And another thing I want to say is that we're not eating them all until they reach to the brink of extinction, that's silly and overly exaggerated.
As far as I'm aware, they are no where near the endangered list. In fact we've been eating cows and other livestock for centuries and they never hit into the vulnerable list, so it's very unlikely that they'll died out anytime soon.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby Jazi » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:47 pm

Chihuahuas and Chow Chows are two of the many breeds that were bred for meat. Chows were actually bred for their fur and strength as well; while alive they were guard dogs and could pull carts. When they died, their fur lined robes and their meat was a delicacy. Many dogs were never originally bred for companionship; some were workers in fields or rescue, some were cart or sled pullers, some were guards, some hunted, some were eaten. The few breeds that were companions from the start (like the Japanese Chin) are few and far between, but were seen as something "other" and "higher" than just a dog.

Horses, cows, donkeys, mules, pigs, rabbits, sheep, goats, and fowl were also originally used for meat and work. Cats in some places have been and still are being eaten. Those who own birds of prey or reptiles feed their pets rodents, smaller reptiles, and other small mammals. Just because we might now have all of these animals as viable companions doesn't mean they stopped being food as well. Some people even eat reptiles and rodents too.

I would never eat one of my animals; they're my family members and not food. But I'm not a vegetarian, which means I'm always going to be eating someone's animals. While I hate the big meat industry and try to buy my food from smaller farms in order to avoid animals being killed inhumanely, meat is meat is meat. Different flavors, different nutrition, yes. But they're all meat sources and can be seen as food, even though in many cultures they're not. I wouldn't actively seek out meat aside from what I already eat, but if it was offered to me I would be polite and at least try it.
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Re: Eating Pets?

Postby soratly » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:40 am

SecretsLive wrote:
Dog are now being breed to be companions, think of chihuahuas and yorkies, were they bred to not mbe companions? Dogs are companion animals now. Not food. I don't care what you guys say, yes I agree that horses are no better than cows and dogs are no better than anything else, but have you ever seen a cow rescue a person from a frozen pond? Dogs save people and were bred over many years to become companions, from hunter to friend. Yes, pigs are very intelligent, but honestly, is it my fault that we eat them? Nope. Attack someone else.

If getting a response with another argument against yours is what you consider attacking, you should consider not to participate in a discussion like this. People are just proving their point as well as you do, no one is attacking you. But if you want to take part in a debate, then you have to be ready for the fact that someone might disagree with you with their own arguments. No one have ever given you the responsibility for any animal, you are only responsible for your stated opinions.

As you might know, dogs are a common food source in places like Vietnam, but the dogs they use for food is actually a special breed of dog ONLY bred for the purpose of eating, not for a pet.
You simply can't point out a single specie of animals and claim that they have never been bred for the purpose of food. Almost all animals all around the world are eaten in one way or another. There is no secret animals that no one eats, unless its because they just don't taste very well or don't have enough meat on them.
But just because we in the west breed certain types of species to be pets, doesn't meant that they aren't bred as food somewhere else in the world.
What a dog can do just doesn't justify that it's more important than other lives, it's all a matter of how we use an animal. A crow for example is ten times more intelligent than a dog, yet most people see that bird as an annoying animal that most people shoot to get rid of. A crow and a pig have a lot of potential, we just don't choose to use it.
The only thing that separates a dog from any other animal that we eat, is the pure luck that the dog was once chosen to be a "companion" as you call it (But as mentioned before, the dog was only bred for huting purposes in the beginning. I hate to break it to you, but there were no greater feelings for animals back then, and no one would hesitate to eat their family dog if it no longer did them any good). Since there is so many other animals that have more potential for a lot of things rather than a dog, a dog can only be considered lucky because it just happens to be an animal that some (not all! Remember vietnam) see as a companion, although that animal could just as well be anything other than a dog.

If things were different, and we had bred pigs for pets for centuries and dogs were only bred for food, and never in the history of the world had been bred for anything other than food, your arguments would most likely be "Its wrong to eat a pig because its a companion", and no one would ever question eating a dog.

Just found this really suitable quote for this debate:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
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