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Re: Pitbull Debate...

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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Scottish Girl » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:43 pm

Glitter Graphics?

And no, I know that not all of them are bad, but most o the breed are. What the gaverment sees isn`t ever individual pit bull or bull dog. They see them all together. And since there is such a high number of accidents with these dogs, they really didn`t have achoice.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Cannibalistic Cookie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:14 pm

We got an American Stafford and labrador cross from the shelter at about 6 months, and she's now about 12 years.
All throughout her life, whenever she got excited about meeting new people, we could always assure them there was no harm in her, she could only get too friendly sometimes.
She's a big, strong dog, and she could push you over in her young days, if you weren't prepared for her jumping up at you, true, but there was never any harm in her.
Even if a stranger showed up at her "territory", even if she'd be barking at them and guarding, and you'd tell her to "go get 'em", she'd start running all over the place, checking every corner and shadow for something to get, because attacking any human being just wasn't an option, it never even crossed her mind.

If a small dog attacked me and tried to bite my ankle, I'd probably laugh and shake it off.
They are big, strong dogs that can do more damage, but this does not mean they will.
Just like any other dog, they are what the owner makes them.
Every dog has a different personality, and so does every owner, and the two have to be compatible.

Sadly, the breed does seem to have some attraction to the dangerous kind of owner.
When I got a stafford pup two months ago, I ended up meeting three other stafford owners while walking in the park.
All three males, none of them neutered.
One owner, who even told me his dog could get along well with puppies (he was playing with mine, and he was as patient and gentle as any dog), but not so much with other dogs, especially other males.
Yet this dog was let off the leash regularly, in the city park, where just about every dog around goes at one point or another, even though the owner knew he didn't have enough control over the dog to keep it with him using voice commands alone.

In my opinion, banning a breed is simple-minded and cowardly, even if the breed is capable of being more dangerous than some others (not all, either, I could think of a great deal more dogs I wouldn't want to get on the wrong page with), because it's the owner that raises the dog, that teaches the dog what is acceptable and what isn't.
If an owner isn't suitable for raising a dog, the owner should take responsibility for that, not the dog.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby War Horse » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:20 am

Scottish Girl wrote:Glitter Graphics?

And no, I know that not all of them are bad, but most o the breed are. What the gaverment sees isn`t ever individual pit bull or bull dog. They see them all together. And since there is such a high number of accidents with these dogs, they really didn`t have achoice.


So you think it's the dogs fualt?
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby van » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:37 am

Scottish Girl wrote:Glitter Graphics?

And no, I know that not all of them are bad, but most o the breed are. What the gaverment sees isn`t ever individual pit bull or bull dog. They see them all together. And since there is such a high number of accidents with these dogs, they really didn`t have achoice.

Again, agreed. XD
Think.
If pitbulls werent ban in so many places, more attacks would happen and more dogs would have to be put down for aggression.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby bearcups » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:54 am

Van wrote:
If pitbulls werent ban in so many places, more attacks would happen and more dogs would have to be put down for aggression.


Did you figure that out all by yourself, Van? BSL Is ridiculous. Here's why;

if tigers were found in more places, there would be less deer, and more tiger hunting.
If cars were used in less places, there would be less emission, and less global warming.
If there were more carrots, there would be less potatoes, so more of them would have to be grown.

Do you see where I'm going with this? What we need isn't a breed specific legislation, we don't need innocent dogs killed because some idiots went and built themselves a fighting ring and tried it out, what we need is a license for people owning pitbulls. It should be like this;

You need to be an experienced dog owner.
You need to prove that you can train dogs.
Unless you are a breeder, the animals need to be neutered / spayed.
You need to provide basic care for the dog.
You need to socialise the dog as a puppy.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Bad Habit » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 am

Man, this was a hilarious read.

So... From the argument given for why pitbulls should be banned, then all domestic animals should be banned. Any animal can bite and/or cause death. Any animal can fight with other animals. Especially all dogs should be banned, because somewhere, some dog of that breed has bitten another dog or a person.

Seriously, banning pitbulls is pretty much a form of genocide, and a form of racism. It's been said a billion times before, I'm sure, but ban bad owners, rather than the entire breed.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Scottish Girl » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:05 am

If only it were that simple! Do you really think the government wouldn't have thought of that. I admit the government isn't very trustworthy, but they would know alot of people would be angry with pit bulls being banned, and would have thought of ways to keep the pit bulls, along with everyone being safe. But even an experienced owner wouldn't be able to handle one of these dogs if it decided to attack him. If a pit bull decided it didn't want to do as it is told, the owner, even an experienced one would not be able to make a big strong dog like that do what it is told.

And no, I am not blaming the dogs, how could you get

So you think it's the dogs fualt?




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And no, I know that not all of them are bad, but most o the breed are. What the government sees isn't ever individual pit bull or bull dog. They see them all together. And since there is such a high number of accidents with these dogs, they really didn't have a choice.




It is of course the humans fault. Sick sorts of people have been breeding pit bulls for fighting, until they have got to a point of no return. I hate to say it, trust me, but these dogs have been bred for fighting so much that it is now in their nature, and in their blood. You can take one into your home, show it love and compassion, but there is a huge chance that one day it will turn on you.

And yes, every dog can bite and turn on you, but pit bulls have a higher rate of doing so then most dogs.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Bad Habit » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:08 am

Scottish Girl wrote:And yes, every dog can bite and turn on you, but pit bulls have a higher rate of doing so then most dogs.


Source or it isn't true.
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Re: Pitbull Debate...

Postby Jazi » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:14 am

Van wrote:Think.
If pitbulls werent ban in so many places, more attacks would happen and more dogs would have to be put down for aggression.

A study in the UK showed that in places where pit bulls were banned, the number of reported dog bites did not go down. Attacks did not lessen just because a breed was unfairly banned.

Pits are not more likely to turn on their owners. All dogs have that capacity and all dogs WILL should certain circumstances arise. You might trust your collies with your life, but that doesn't mean that if you don't do something such as threaten them, hurt them, or starve them that they won't have something to say about it. They'll do the talking with their teeth, just like a pit bull will.
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