Why We Need Animal Testing

[~ dawn ~]

I would tell fireman to take my dog or i would take dog on my arms and go out together. We aren't worth more than animals.
Only people are destroying environment. And people are the most cruel animals.
If are really at the top then we should show that we are deserving being at the top and we should be better than animals not worse.

While I would tell the fireman to take my doggie first too, I don't think animals are worth more than humans. I think we ARE worth more. Because, if humans aren't on the planet, there's no one who would CARE to prevent the endangered species from extinction, there would be no one who CARES whether the sunrise or sunset are beautiful, there wouldn't be anyone who CARED if the world was rotting or not.
Animals don't create anything new, they don't dream, they don't plan their future and they don't have moral. They just live to survive and to reproduce.
Humans on the other hand have abstract ideas, they dream of new things, they explore and they build, they plan their future and they judge. At the very least, they have this potential. Animals don't have it. They don't need it. Humans, however, in their complex societies, need their brains.
But that's just my two cents and I do understand that humans have different opinions

I have found something regarding a jellyfish's central nervous system HERE.
Apparently, they have a RING central nervous system because they're not symmetrical (don't have a left and a right side).
They have fewer brains than other animals, though, so the existence of this doesn't automatically give them feelings like sadness, happiness or anger. Most animals don't have them and jellyfish don't have them either, for sure.

I agree with you. But i might try to get out of my room through the window with my dog in my arms(she is small.) and just hope a fireman can get us both down from the roof. I can always get all of my stuffed toys out of my room and throw them on the ground to create a soft landing. :b

[Hideś]

Because, if humans aren't on the planet, there's no one who would CARE to prevent the endangered species from extinction, there wouldn't be anyone who CARED if the world was rotting or not.

1. There are endangered species because of pepole who killed them too much without thinking about existing of these species. Only thinking about themselves, killing often only for fun.
2. World is rotting because of people who made all trashes, they contaminate the environment.

[asexual]

In the fire convo going around, I would save my cats before myself. Of course my boyfriend and our kids would be first in my book, but my cats come second in line, since my cats give me much more stress relief, and companionship, and unconditional love than most people do.

But don't you think it would be better to save yourself for the sake of your kids? they will move on if something happened to the cats. If something happened to you they would have no mother!.... just my opinion.

I love my pets and would do my best to save them but when there are people who NEED you and depend on you then your life is worth more than a cat's..... just my thoughts

Well yes you are right, but I was going on the fact that it's pretty easy to save my cats, since all I'd have to do is open a window or door and they would be gone lol
I'm not stupid enough to stay if it really honestly looked like I could die if the fire was that bad, and I wouldn't go looking for my cats, but I would make sure they have a clear route of escape where ever possible.

[MoonfallTheFox]

But don't you think it would be considered cruelty if there is someone dieing of a painful disease and not doing anything about it? and what if that disease spreads and becomes an epidemic? Sure when the animals are first tested they might be in pain but than researchers develop a vaccine and give it to the animals. I read awhile ago that with the swine flu vaccine that was tested on ferrets that all of the ferrets survived. I am pretty sure that the ferrets forgot about getting sick in the first place. I am actually glad that there is a vaccine to prevent the swine flu even if a few ferrets had to be sick for a short time so it can be developed. More people have been affected than the number of ferrets tested and they went through worse pain for a longer period of time. My dad's coworker's husband got the swine flu and died a few days later (i believe they had two kids) and a very close friend of the family(he is like a young grandpa to me) got the swine flu and luckily survived. He called from the hospital to tell us the news and could barely get the words out. They actually told him that he did not have very good chances of surviving. (i think it was less than 21%) So of course i am going to be fine with testing a vaccine on animals. They are going to be in less pain and for a shorter amount of time then people that get it. Plus some diseases can be transferred to pets. http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/11/047.shtml So a vaccine that is made for humans can easily be made for animals if they get the disease.
( just looked at the time and i need to go to bed.)

No, I don't. I had swine flu. Yes, it freaking sucked. I did not leave my bed at all for weeks, my head spun and I was so sick I could not even go on the computer. I was too sick to read, draw, or do homework. I just lie there and slept for 23 hours a day. Noises were agony, lights were agony, breathing and drinking were agony. Everything hurt. But, I would get swine flu a second time if it could prevent animals from suffering. However, I am immune to Swine Flu now, and just like with a vaccine, can never get sick from it again. No animals suffered for that immunity, and just like every other species must work hard for survival, I suffered for the benifit I gained.

Why are people so much better than ferrets that we can overlook them because we got a vaccine that protects us from the FLU? The flu is a constantly changing and evolving virus that we will never eradicate. Why should something suffer to give us a few months of pretection? A FEW MONTHS, in exchange for living, breathing, feeling creatures. People get a flu shot EVERY YEAR. The vaccine is changed every single year. Animals suffer for that single year of protection EVERY TIME anyone gets a flu shot. The flu is a mild illness, yes, it is awful and it sucks and sometimes people die, but it makes you wonder, why did they die? Oh, they had an auto immune disorder. IF you get ill enough with the flu to die, then maybe you shouldn't be spreading your genes!

So then i guess you think my dad's coworker's should get rid of her kids???? They were on a vacation when he got sick and it quickly got worse and by the time the took him to the hospital it was to late. So are you now saying that she should kill her kids because her husband got sick? So because he died, his genes must not be worth passing on so she should get rid of them so she can do humanity a favor? Who cares that they might make great discoveries or be like their mom who helps develop medical products(with out testing animals). Also viruses can be the same thing like the flu but attack different parts of your body. It could attack your brain, you heart or other organs. I went on a trip and caught a common cold and quickly got over it. I did not notice anything different until i went to my doctor and he told me to visit a cardiologist. I have been diagnose with PVC because a simple virus attacked my heart. Also if someone is under a lot stress because of things happening in their life. i.e. family dieing, family terminally ill, hospital bills ect. They are more likely to get diseases and get seriously ill.
If you read the article i posted it said that some household pets got the swine flu from their owners. So they can get the disease.

My cats, rats, and horse were fine, and my cat lie beside me the ENTIRE time I was ill. She refused to leave me- if she needed to eat or use the litterbox, she SPRINTED. She refused to be separated at all, and lie on me and next to me, trying to keep me warm.

It is not our right to wound in order to save people with illnesses that can attack our gene pool and pollute it- why do we allow people with awful diseases to breed?

It should be my choice if I want to die instead of my pet. MY CHOICE.

But what about the people that know you? Don't you think the fire department would be sued if they save a pet than the owner. The family can sue the department for not doing their job and causing the family pain. How do they know that it was really the last person's wish to save their pet instead of their own? Also do you really want to leave your pet alone? what happens if no one can take care of it? The dog will go to a shelter traumatized by the loss of its owner and about the fire. Chances are that the pet could be so traumatized that it will be but down because no one will adopt it.

I don't give a crap if the fire department gets sued. I don't care if my family and people are hurt. I DON'T CARE. If I am alive, it is my life. If I want to put the life of another being in front of my own, then so be it. I should have the right to choose whether I live or die. I would rather be dead than be saved in place of a pet, and I would go in and out of a burning building over and over in order to save my pets, whether I died of smoke damage or not.

In this country it is not my choice whether I live or not- if someone tries to commit suicide they are sent to a facility to "fix" them, where they have no means of death and eat with plastic forks and have elastic shoelaces or velcro. I haave every right to destroy my life force if I choose, and if I put an animal before me, then fine. I loved that animal enough to save it first.

I love the hypocrisy, if a person saves a child first, they are a hero, but if I choose to hand out my mice, rats, cats, frog, and dog before I will leave, people see me as stupid and sue.

I would also save my chickens and horse before myself. if my barn were to burn- I would be the first to plunge into the fire, even though I am terrified of fire, to save them.

EDITED to add a bit of info and fix where I forgot to break up a quote.

[Clockwork]

Unconditional love? Ohoohoho, very few relationships are unconditional. There are all kinds of conditions going around with pets especially-- trust me, I've cared for lots of animals [in fact, my last hen died in March, and this is the first time in my life that I've been without an animal]. Don't feed your cat for a week? They're gone somewhere else. Several of my cats have actually been 'adopted' by me-- they chose me over their old owners. Their old owners didn't suit their preferences. They up and leave. Just like that.

[srslyjc]

Because, if humans aren't on the planet, there's no one who would CARE to prevent the endangered species from extinction, there wouldn't be anyone who CARED if the world was rotting or not.

Yes, that's natural selection for ya.

[coop]

I just wanted to say that this thread is awesome.
I agree with you completely, though I've never known much on the topic.
Thank you for posting this.

Edit; On the fire subject, I would get the hell out of the house, then let the firemen take my dog.
I love my dog, but I know I wouldn't think about givin' them my dog first if I was in that situation.

[Anonymuse]

Does anyone else feel bad for the hypothetical fireman being stuck in the middle of all this yet?

Firefighter: Sir! Your house appears to be on fire, please come with me.
Timmy: TAKE MY DOG!
Firefighter: I can't do that, sir. We'll come back for your dog afterwards, you need to come with me.
Timmy: TAKE THE DOG!
Firefighter: We'll have to come back for the dog! We need you to cooperate quickly, the building is coming down any moment.
Timmy: TAKE. THE. DOG, DAMNIT.

Effectively no matter what the fireman does, he's going to get someone's foot up his ass over it despite the fact he's risking his own life to save another's while hauling about roughly three-fourths of his body weight in gear in the process, loool.

You cannot always make your own choices in life, and you certainly can't always hold it against someone else if they chose you over your friend when they risked their lives to even try to save one of you while promising to go back for the other if circumstances allow. It's pretty hilariously selfish otherwise to start making dictations there instead of being grateful while mourning the fact that the person did their best and it was just bad times.

The world is more than about following the respect and wishes of one person when there are rules, regulations, laws, training procedures, precautions, etc. in place. You can ask "Who are they to judge for you, it's your life?" But also, it's their lives on the line that they're going to have to look out for too. Mr. Firefighter is going to hit hard times when everyone and his own conscience has to face the fact that he saved a dog over an adolescent even if they're the ones who told him to do so (despite the fact there will be no proof to present to the public when questioned about this being it will be a verbal exchange). You don't think that's not going to ruin his life, and he shouldn't get a say in it when it's his life being put on the line for who to rescue?

It's apparently just this easy:
Timmy: TAKE THE DOG!
Firefighter: Okay, bye.

It's a bit off the topic of animal testing, but the amazing amount of inconsideration put forth on that example alone and the lack of thought poured into the fact that it's not that easy and never just about you, your pet, your decisions, but also the people you encounter in life be they family, friends, or firefighters.

Alernatively:
Firefighter: Ma'am! Your house appears to be on fire, please come with me.
Harpalyce: OHGOD, WHAT? /flings dog out the window. SAVE YOURSELF!

[texaco]

I don't give a crap if the fire department gets sued. I don't care if my family and people are hurt. I DON'T CARE.

If YOU don't care that a person is putting his or her life on the line for YOUR rescue, and are only trying to do their job and want to avoid lawsuits and the hatred of the public and the possibility of being fired and the guilt of the fact that they rescued an animal over a human, why should I care if anyone or anything has to die or suffer for MY well being?

[Harpalyce]

I'm pretty sure firemen are conditioned to ignore people saying "but my dog!".

...because, honestly, in a disaster, you aren't thinking straight. Their job is to get you out first.