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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby Lupen » Mon May 23, 2011 5:56 pm

Silverfang wrote:If you saw a fly and a cat in a burning building, which would you save? The cat, of course, because it is more intelligent, and is more aware, and, well, it's higher up on the 'ladder' of life. Humans are animals, but so are flies and flatworms. I don't want to say that a cat is 'worth' more than a fly, because that sounds like we're slave traders or something, but, there is a hierarchy to the animal kingdom, and to all kingdoms. Humans are at the top.

We've proved ourselves as the dominant species and currently have the upper hand in this battle. We will lose this eventually, as another species slowly rises and takes over. Then they'll be dominant and will have every right to test on us for the advancement of their own species. Dominance is dominance. There is no other way to describe or define it. Dominant > subordinate. I doubt the omega wolf takes kindly to eating last, but that's the order of the pack. There's an order to life. Nature isn't fair, nor will it ever be.


Dominance, or who is at the top of the food chain, and who's life is worth more are two completely different things.

There isn't just dominance between a species, there is also dominance within a species. And if the dominant being's life is worth more... that'd mean sense a mother is dominant over her child, her life is worth more, and she should be the one to live. Or, one of my dogs are more dominant than the others, but I don't think her life is worth any more than the others' lives.
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby Tolui » Tue May 24, 2011 1:54 am

I think it is completely wrong using animals as tests when they can still feel it. If someone was abusing an animal, they could be locked up for years, and I see no reason why it is different when it is for human gain.

As many people have been saying here, animals have feelings. Bacteria is not thought to have feelings or emotions, and so using ani-bacterial handwash would not be considered murder, just like chopping down a tree would nto be considered murder.

I beleive that tests should only be done on animals if they are under anaethsetic or if they are dying anyways. And the 'the animals are near the end of their lives' is nonsense, after all, in comparison to the Giant Tortoise our lives are short.

During World War Two the Japanese and Germans did tests on humans, and they were sentenced for many years in prison and called War Crimminals. As humans (who are apparently the more civillised and intelligent beings) we should have learnt from this that it is completely barbaric to do tests on any living thing with feelings and nerves.

Humans are just anouther part of this world, and they have absolutely no right to use animals as if they were just a resource that we can do what we want with. They are not lesser beings, and we need to learn to treat this world, and all the feeling inhabitants of it with respect.

As for many of the illnesses and injuries that are researched and tested on these animals, most of them are brought upon by the lifestyles humans live nowadays. Spinal injuries from car crashes? They are not natural, they are caused by humans. Depression? That is caused by selfishness (usualy not from the sufferer). Many terminal and mental illnesses (I believe) are caused by the sort of foods and chemicals we consume in our modern lives.

For example: The Inuit of the Arctic Circle once had the lowest suicide rate in the whole world before they were 'modernised'. They once lived lives where every person had a place and a part to play. They lived as a team and each person was vital for the survival of their village. They led simple lives where everything was for survival. Then the 'civilised' people came and changed them. Many of them were converted into Christianity. The 'civilised' people mined for resouces in the Arctic, and many of the Inuit came to work for them. Now, many of them are unemployed, drink large amounts, suffer from depression and abuse. The westeners imposed laws saying that they could only kill certain amounts of animals in the Arctic, animals which were the Inuit's livelyhood. Since their modernisation, the Inuit now suffer from the highest suicide rate in the world. That is what our modern life does to us.

We have dug ourselves into a hole and dragged others down into it with us, and I strongly believe that we should climb out of this hole on our own, and not just lie there, pulling the rest of the world, which has kept its valued sanity, down into the depths.

A quick note too, jellyfish do have feelings, it has been researched, they have many eyes and brains too, which people origionaly thought they did not have.


In addition, I am not too sure of the intelligence of humans. Sure, we invented the motor engine, the internet, the television, submarines, we discovered what makes a rainbow, why some metals move towards each other and how far away the stars are, we stood on the moon, we can go to the bottom of the ocean. But are we truly content?
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby srslyjc » Tue May 24, 2011 4:23 am

But shouldn't we use our dominance in a <i>good</i> way? Since depending on your definition humans are dominant, albeit on a very delicate throne, shouldn't we not have to do the things animals do, since we're better than them?
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby MoonfallTheFox » Tue May 24, 2011 4:58 am

amytheguardian wrote:But don't you think it would be considered cruelty if there is someone dieing of a painful disease and not doing anything about it? and what if that disease spreads and becomes an epidemic? Sure when the animals are first tested they might be in pain but than researchers develop a vaccine and give it to the animals. I read awhile ago that with the swine flu vaccine that was tested on ferrets that all of the ferrets survived. I am pretty sure that the ferrets forgot about getting sick in the first place. I am actually glad that there is a vaccine to prevent the swine flu even if a few ferrets had to be sick for a short time so it can be developed. More people have been affected than the number of ferrets tested and they went through worse pain for a longer period of time. My dad's coworker's husband got the swine flu and died a few days later (i believe they had two kids) and a very close friend of the family(he is like a young grandpa to me) got the swine flu and luckily survived. He called from the hospital to tell us the news and could barely get the words out. They actually told him that he did not have very good chances of surviving. (i think it was less than 21%) So of course i am going to be fine with testing a vaccine on animals. They are going to be in less pain and for a shorter amount of time then people that get it. Plus some diseases can be transferred to pets. http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/11/047.shtml So a vaccine that is made for humans can easily be made for animals if they get the disease.
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No, I don't. I had swine flu. Yes, it freaking sucked. I did not leave my bed at all for weeks, my head spun and I was so sick I could not even go on the computer. I was too sick to read, draw, or do homework. I just lie there and slept for 23 hours a day. Noises were agony, lights were agony, breathing and drinking were agony. Everything hurt. But, I would get swine flu a second time if it could prevent animals from suffering. However, I am immune to Swine Flu now, and just like with a vaccine, can never get sick from it again. No animals suffered for that immunity, and just like every other species must work hard for survival, I suffered for the benifit I gained.

Why are people so much better than ferrets that we can overlook them because we got a vaccine that protects us from the FLU? The flu is a constantly changing and evolving virus that we will never eradicate. Why should something suffer to give us a few months of pretection? A FEW MONTHS, in exchange for living, breathing, feeling creatures. People get a flu shot EVERY YEAR. The vaccine is changed every single year. Animals suffer for that single year of protection EVERY TIME anyone gets a flu shot. The flu is a mild illness, yes, it is awful and it sucks and sometimes people die, but it makes you wonder, why did they die? Oh, they had an auto immune disorder. IF you get ill enough with the flu to die, then maybe you shouldn't be spreading your genes!
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby samy_laly » Tue May 24, 2011 4:59 am

At the end of the day, a human life is worth more than an animal's life.

A human life is worth more than, say, a thousand lives of rats.

Doesn't mean the rats aren't valuable. Just that they're not equal.

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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby samy_laly » Tue May 24, 2011 5:04 am

EVERY ANIMAL HAS FEELINGS !!!
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby bearcups » Tue May 24, 2011 5:07 am

samy_laly wrote:NO IT ISN'T !!!!!!! WE HATE YOU TOO!


Yes, it is. A great example of this is: There's a fire in your house. You've got a dog in the same room with you. The fire has englufed your entire house, your bedroom is all that has been left unharmed. You've got your bedroom window open, yelling for help. The firefighter climbs up his ladder and picks YOU despite your efforts to hand your dog out first. The dog is shoved back, and you are saved. THEN the animal is rescued, but only after YOU the HUMAN has been rescued from the flames.
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby Harpalyce » Tue May 24, 2011 5:08 am

shadowsarah wrote:A quick note too, jellyfish do have feelings, it has been researched, they have many eyes and brains too, which people origionaly thought they did not have.


This is certainly news to me, after taking several zoology courses and doing dissections on jellyfish.

Could I please have a source for this?


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At the end of the day, a human life is worth more than an animal's life.

A human life is worth more than, say, a thousand lives of rats.

Doesn't mean the rats aren't valuable. Just that they're not equal.

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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby MoonfallTheFox » Tue May 24, 2011 5:09 am

I would put the dog out first no matter what and cling to the window until the fireman took it. No one is saving me before my pets. NO ONE.
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Re: Why We Need Animal Testing

Postby bearcups » Tue May 24, 2011 5:12 am

MoonfallTheFox wrote:I would put the dog out first no matter what and cling to the window until the fireman took it. No one is saving me before my pets. NO ONE.


Yeah, thats what my neighbour thought he would do. Save his dog before himself. He handed the dog out and the firefighter lobbed it back into the window, and dragged by boy out by his wrists. The dog was saved, but now she is wary of anything that smells smokey or is warmer than her household heat.
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