Dog Owner Chat V. 5

[.Kira Nightblade.]

Soo me, my sis, and mom went to an escape room Saturday, and in the lobby there was this adorable named Ace ^.^ (which last year when browsing my shelter's site I actually saw his pic and name there) They got him from a shelter and he's a lab mix, most likely has some pittbull in him, (he looks like a puppy in the pic XD)
Anyways, he was sooo sweet and adorable and just drank in the attention ^.^
Just wanted to share this 'cause he's adorable XD

[Imzadi83]

No, I think you are the one making assumptions. I didn't say ethical breeding was simply vaccinating, feeding and caring for a litter. It was up to you to assume that. Giving the dog it's fundamentals, especially when they did not expect or want a litter, is the best that they could possibly doing. You talking so negatively and harshly towards people who have had accidental litters is really frustrating.

Even though it has already been mentioned, I'll say it again:

It isn't up to you to say someone, who you haven't met and know nothing about, is an unethical breeder.

I really do think you are being fairly aggressive towards anyone who is disagreeing with you, even if you cannot believe that you are being aggressive. They can happen, if you want them to or not. Some people don't want to neuter or spay their dogs. I don't think that that is necessarily right, but they could have their own reasons for it. Sometimes, a dog can escape and get pregnant or impregnate a bitch. That is something that does happen and forever will happen.

Sometimes, plans are made to neuter and spay your dog, but it gets held back.

Is it my fault, am I irresponsible, because Pippin's seizures delayed being neutered? Is medical problems, that limit or temporarily prevent being neutered/spayed, an appropriate excuse to label someone as a Backyard Breeder after an accidental and further unavoidable litter?

The fact you say that they should never happen is ignorant in itself. It isn't ideal, for either parties; rescues and the "breeder", but it happens regardless of your ideology.

You can't label talking down to someone as educational. I am pretty sure a large portion of society understands from the constant adverts, charity shops, etc. that animal charities and rescues are filling up quickly. I believe that any dog is for life, generally. Yet circumstances happen. I would not keep my dog if it negatively affected them after unforeseen issues had arisen. If the owner cannot raise or let the dog live its life to the best of its abilities, then shelters should come into play.

Now, if someone is running a puppy mill, that is completely different. I would label them as BYB, over someone who had an accidental litter.

I'm sorry you feel I'm talking down to people, that is truly not my intent. I'm sorry if I come off that way.

As you stated owning a dog is a big responsibility, owning an intact one even more so. It's not hard to keep your dog from getting out and creating an unplanned litter. If it is too hard then they should not have an intact dog at that time. And yes, all accidental litters are by definition irresponsible and backyard breeders. Again, they could be responsible dog owners in every other way and go on to become fantastic responsible breeders, but in that way at that time they were not. That doesn't mean they will always be irresponsible breeders, that is up to them. Pretending that their mistakes weren't mistakes or that it isn't contributing to the problem may make them feel better but it won't help in the long run.

Even if you are right about a large portion of society understanding that shelters and rescues are filling up quickly, they don't seem to be able to tell a responsible breeder from a irresponsible one. So many people end up with buyers remorse because they were never taught what questions to ask before buying a puppy. Also many people who are not suitable homes for puppies are able to buy one because BYBs will sell them one.

No, it's not your fault that Pippin's neuter had to be delayed because of health issues. But if he gets out and sires an unplanned litter than that would be your fault and/or the fault of any other adults who's care he is in. Again, that wouldn't make you a bad person or a bad dog owner overall, but in that way at that time you (or other adult in charge) would have made a mistake and done something irresponsible. I wouldn't wish ill of you but if I was potentially buying one of those puppies I would want to know that you were taking steps to prevent the same thing again from happening in the future, and that I wasn't supporting you while you continued to be careless in the same way. I can see why if you were in the backyard breeder's position that could come off as hostile, but I would hope if they loved dogs they would realize the danger that put their dog in, that it was an irresponsible thing to happen, and they would want to make sure it didn't happen again.

I'm not saying true accidents don't happen, but the majority of the time when we look back we can see where we went wrong. That's what I want people who have an accidental litter to do so that it doesn't happen again. And I want people who have an intact dog to look at what can happen, see the mistakes of others, and make sure it doesn't happen to them in the first place.

@.Kira.Nightblade. - Aw he's adorable. I love going into place and finding a dog there. It always makes my day brighter.

[eff]

I do believe we are trying to communicate the same point, but to different levels.

BYB = bad
Accidental litters = bad but not making them a bad owner
Spaying/Neutering = should be done ideally to prevent unwanted litters and further more dogs in shelters being euthanized

I was only 8 when my Mom brought home Pip, whose still alive. I would of prefered a shelter dog but I love Pip with all my heart. My family were never the type to give up on dogs regardless of their health defects and behavioural issues or PTSD.

We had one, many years before Pip, who was a "present" given to my Mom randomly by a friend. Dogs should never be presents, but regardless, he was bought online on craigslist/gumtree. He had a heart condition, was scared of men, bin bags, school uniforms and the smell of alcohol. He had been abused, that was evident, but even when my Mom got pregnant, he never went to a shelter. He was aggressive towards small children and so he was given to my grandparents, where we could all go and see him. That was an ideal situation ; still close to home yet not a threat.

I think that whilst accidental litters are a problem and would be easily fixed if everyone just spayed or neutered their dog, it does happen. And I believe if the "breeders" truly cared for their dogs and animals in general, then they would learn from the financial burden and spay/neuter their dog as soon as possible. I don't see why they would keep their dog intact if they were bringing a large financial burden through having litters.

[oddball1234]

So i don't know if anyone remembers about the situation I posted earlier this year. So my job ended on April 1st. My boyfriend and I just found a place to possible move into. then I got the price on what it would be to fix my car....$1700 ..... So they goes all my saved money to move with.


So still going to live with with my boyfriend...to his place with no pets allowed......



thankfully my mom is going to take Killian. I'm so thankful for that. At least I don't have to rehome me. But its killing me. I'm going to miss him so much.

[Imzadi83]

So i don't know if anyone remembers about the situation I posted earlier this year. So my job ended on April 1st. My boyfriend and I just found a place to possible move into. then I got the price on what it would be to fix my car....$1700 ..... So they goes all my saved money to move with.


So still going to live with with my boyfriend...to his place with no pets allowed......



thankfully my mom is going to take Killian. I'm so thankful for that. At least I don't have to rehome me. But its killing me. I'm going to miss him so much.

Ouch, good of your mom to take him though. Are you close enough to your mom where you can visit?

[Skysong]

Okay it’s officially gotten a bit too heated in the BYB talk.

Let’s cool it and change the topic. Okay?

Question for you all!

What age did you get your dogs?

I got Thor at 6 weeks and Lilly at 6 months.

[Ja986]

We got Trump and exactly 8 weeks!
We were going to get him 8 weeks and a day but the owners of the kennel had something going on. Ahhhh he was sooooo tiny

[Imzadi83]

Question for you all!

What age did you get your dogs?

I got Thor at 6 weeks and Lilly at 6 months.

My late dog Gumdrop we got as a puppy, I think she was around eight weeks but I'm not sure. She was found as a stray and turned into animal control.

Chloe I got when she was six years old.

[Gizmutt]

Okay it’s officially gotten a bit too heated in the BYB talk.

Let’s cool it and change the topic. Okay?

Question for you all!

What age did you get your dogs?

I got Thor at 6 weeks and Lilly at 6 months.

I got Gizmo at 8 weeks. I really was planning on getting an older dog ..... and I don’t know that I will ever get another 8 week old puppy. But it has been worth the struggle, at least once. I love my gizmutt

[oddball1234]

So i don't know if anyone remembers about the situation I posted earlier this year. So my job ended on April 1st. My boyfriend and I just found a place to possible move into. then I got the price on what it would be to fix my car....$1700 ..... So they goes all my saved money to move with.


So still going to live with with my boyfriend...to his place with no pets allowed......



thankfully my mom is going to take Killian. I'm so thankful for that. At least I don't have to rehome me. But its killing me. I'm going to miss him so much.

Ouch, good of your mom to take him though. Are you close enough to your mom where you can visit?

its a 4 hour drive. so something to do on the weekend. and extra gas money

What age did you get your dogs?

The vet estimated Killy was 11 weeks when i took him to the vet. So i got him a week before so 10 weeks old.