PerpetualMints wrote:eleutheromania wrote:i can not stand designer breeds. there is no true standard for the breed and it is mainly for marketing. they weren’t bred for a purpose they were bred for a fad. they are mutts due to the fact that they aren’t bred for a purpose and there is no real standard.
anyone can register their dog with CKC and contracts don’t do anything unless the breeder takes it to civil court. also neutering and spaying any large breed that early can harm their growth. that being said CKC is not really a reputable registry. they also cannot sell without breeding rights unless not giving papers but then you could register the dog anyway. along with the contracts, a dog is considered property and thus once money exchanges hands, there is really nothing a breeder can do unless they spend more money taking you to civil court. has happened to plenty of dachshund breeders in the group i’m in. you have that one person that breeds a dog that shouldn’t be bred.
a breeder should meet the standard of the breed for show or working quality, not because they are cute. that’s how i see it. health testing is to help prevent any genetic diseases a dog could have and it is beneficial. why not try and prevent genetic isssues if you can seeing as you’re responsible when you breed two dogs have a puppy comes out with genetic issues you could have prevented. health testing is slowly making its way towards more breeders.
you have to be breeding show/pet/ working quality dogs to be a reputable breeder, otherwise you aren’t bettering the breeds at all.
what does a labrodoodle have as a purpose?
a pomsky?
that’s my two sense, i’m not being harsh either. it’s actually a fun topic to discus and it’s been brought up a few times. welcome to the site!
Don't worry; you didn't seem harsh at all.
See, my thinking is that most dogs simply don't serve a purpose beyond companionship anymore, so unless you actually want a golden retriever, for example, with a more specific temperament and appearance for retrieving downed birds, then it doesn't really matter to most people if their dog fits the standard exactly, has disqualifying traits in the show ring or even has a standard or purpose at all. Maybe some people want a pomsky, schnoodle or whatever, and don't care if they are a mutt or not. I'm not actually getting a designer dog; I'm getting a chihuahua, but I used my breeder as an example all the same because I know most people would still consider them a BYB.
There will always be pet quality dogs in every litter, even those breeding for show or work. Purpose breeding is incredibly important, even for just pets. A purebred dog comes with certain expectations; doberman are typically same sex aggressive, terriers have high prey drive, herding breeds are intelligent, etc. Yes, there are deviations from the norm but you generally have a very good idea of what to expect temperment wise. Not to mention that being able to perform, both in the show ring and sporting events, shows a level of stability under pressure and a sound temperment.. which I'd assume most peopke want.
A breeder should be looking at their dogs objectively and letting a third party judge their dogs. A dog should be physically sound, this is where adhereing to the breed standard comes into play. The vast majority of standards are set to produce a dog sound of body (yes, yes, extremes exsist in a fraction of breeds). A body that is not sound breaks down much faster. Flat feet, sway backs, forward shoulders, straight stifles, to much turn in the hock, swan necks, pigeon chests... the list goes on. Some of these do appear, moderately, in well bred dogs, but should never be purposely bred towards and the goal should be choosing complementary traits... and a breeder should be very honest about the faults. A high reared, cow hocked, splay footed, straight fronted dog will generally have more orthopedic issues than a good front, nice legs, and solid topline.. I have the first, shes a trainwreck with bad arthritis (started around 6) and has never been an exceedingly active dog lol.
Theres also just... no reason not to health test.