Dog Owner Chat v3 ~Open!~

[mr.robot]

Please don't follow cesar Milan omg. If your dog is that bad you should seek out the help of a behaviourist.

[Luzien]

Please don't follow cesar Milan omg. If your dog is that bad you should seek out the help of a behaviourist.

she did only write that her dog bites when to worked up because of other Dogs...dont think that ist so bad...maybe realy only an unsure dog who Needs more workout and an other Training Special for it^^

why not cesar?
some of his Training and what he say is not bad....and i did see some Trainer that call them behaviourist who talk real bull... and can make Dogs worse as they have no real Training over years but where at a Workshop.....
i think in every( ok nearly every....) Trainer is some good that you can use for your own dog...and some Thing you should not use...you only Need to stay open minded and learn from everyone^^

[mr.robot]

Because his dominance theory has been proven to be outdated. I've watched him helicopter and asphyxiate dogs in 'the red zone' and I've watched him pressure dogs into biting him. The Labrador that bit him is a fantastic example. She was showing signals that she was backing off and wanted to escape and he continued to advance and got bit.

[Imzadi83]

Because his dominance theory has been proven to be outdated. I've watched him helicopter and asphyxiate dogs in 'the red zone' and I've watched him pressure dogs into biting him. The Labrador that bit him is a fantastic example. She was showing signals that she was backing off and wanted to escape and he continued to advance and got bit.

In addition using dominance theory can create learned helplessness and suppress warning signals that a bite is imminent. His training methods are dangerous, and can increase or even cause aggression.

Dominance theory has been proven to be incorrect, his methods have been well studied and proven to be less effective than positive reinforcement training. Science has know this for decades.

[Keriae]

DOS never said they reward for biting behaviour. They attempt to reward for good behaviour and Epic bites as she's taking it, as far as I can see.

Cesar Milan has no standing in the scientific community and most owners now use positive reinforcement. There is a reason for it.

[Day Of Silence]

Apologies before hand for any snappiness or rudeness. I am genuinely trying to write this all in a calm manner but words can come out wrong.

Epic does not bite when she sees other dogs. She bites when she is stressed/anxious and it's not an actual 'red zone dog' bite as much as a 'quick, get the treats down' that hurts.
She does not get treats for biting, she gets treats for seeing a stimulus that is scary, be it people, kids, dogs or weird things. If she is over threshold we get out of the situation or gain distance, if she is having a decent response, then she is rewarded though more often then not, she will still go after the treats hard.
My dog is not disrespecting me, she's a scared nervous wreck who's either lacked socialization, got the wrong genetics or has had bad experiences.

I see no benefit in correcting fear. If my dog is scared of X, and every time she says that X scares her she gets Y, and Y is not pleasant, X is still going to be scary or become scarier because every time she sees X, Y happens.
I'm not against correcting dogs, there are times to do it, but I am against physical corrections for fear based behaviors.

We train every single day, multiple times a day, on every single walk.
We have been unable to find any trainer who will help with the methods that I can agree with, or have been unable to contact the one that I believe can help. So it's just me and will probably always be just me unless we get out of this area.

[Blu Malinois]

Hey guys just a quick question regarding the trick dog stuff, do you need to print out the application and send that as well as filling out the online form or no?
Also it's international right?

No, you just choose one option. You do not have to do both. And yes, it is international.

[Keriae]

Hey guys just a quick question regarding the trick dog stuff, do you need to print out the application and send that as well as filling out the online form or no?
Also it's international right?

No, you just choose one option. You do not have to do both. And yes, it is international.

Is it? I might look into it for Mary.

[Blu Malinois]

Hey guys just a quick question regarding the trick dog stuff, do you need to print out the application and send that as well as filling out the online form or no?
Also it's international right?

No, you just choose one option. You do not have to do both. And yes, it is international.

Is it? I might look into it for Mary.

I'm pretty sure. Because when I go to fill out my info, I always have to list which country I live in.

Edit: yep! I just double checked and it is international.

[Day Of Silence]

Just did a bit of bikejoring with Epic! She had a blast!
It was so awesome when she figured out that she was allowed to pull!
I had my sister on the bike, and then I had Epic on leash and I started off in front to encourage her, but by the end of the short time, I could go behind her and still have her pulling!