Do You Ride Horses? V.4

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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby CowLord » Tue May 15, 2018 3:49 am

Marin wrote:not enough people understand that anything with horseback riding can be abuse if not done or used correctly. anything.

lead ropes. abuse if you make it. you can strangle a horse with it. bad example, im sorry.

spurs. abuse if you make it. you can scar them, jab them, hurt them, terrify them.
but you can also use them correctly.
you can lead a horse with the lead rope. dont strangle them, lead them properly.
you can use the spurs to tell the horse more clearly what youre asking for, to enhance cues, to give a reminder. you don't have to impale them. you dont have to cause them discomfort or pain, and you don't need to.

literally, anything can be abuse if not used correctly. bits *unless ridiculously huge, sharp, terrible in general, spurs, crops, whips. they can be used appropriately. they can be used inappropriately. it depends on how you use them, and just because you use them, doesn't mean youre automatically abusive.


Sure, anything can be abuse. I don't think anybody in history ever denied that.

But in my opinion, you're far more likely to inflict pain with metal than, say, rope. You're also more likely to cause discomfort with a whip. I'm pretty certain discomfort, if not outright pain, is what makes these tools work the way they do. Horses are not magical beings and spurs don't work via telepathy. If you can't accept that, then maybe you shouldn't be using them if the reality of how they function upsets you to the point of defensiveness.

Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody has one, and yours is not necessarily more valid than anybody else's. Some people don't like aversives or the idea of horsback riding at all. That's OK. Personally, as long as you aren't beating your horse, I couldn't care less what you do with it.
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Marin » Tue May 15, 2018 1:15 pm

DelinquentDiego wrote:
Marin wrote:not enough people understand that anything with horseback riding can be abuse if not done or used correctly. anything.

lead ropes. abuse if you make it. you can strangle a horse with it. bad example, im sorry.

spurs. abuse if you make it. you can scar them, jab them, hurt them, terrify them.
but you can also use them correctly.
you can lead a horse with the lead rope. dont strangle them, lead them properly.
you can use the spurs to tell the horse more clearly what youre asking for, to enhance cues, to give a reminder. you don't have to impale them. you dont have to cause them discomfort or pain, and you don't need to.

literally, anything can be abuse if not used correctly. bits *unless ridiculously huge, sharp, terrible in general, spurs, crops, whips. they can be used appropriately. they can be used inappropriately. it depends on how you use them, and just because you use them, doesn't mean youre automatically abusive.


Sure, anything can be abuse. I don't think anybody in history ever denied that.

But in my opinion, you're far more likely to inflict pain with metal than, say, rope. You're also more likely to cause discomfort with a whip. I'm pretty certain discomfort, if not outright pain, is what makes these tools work the way they do. Horses are not magical beings and spurs don't work via telepathy. If you can't accept that, then maybe you shouldn't be using them if the reality of how they function upsets you to the point of defensiveness.

Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody has one, and yours is not necessarily more valid than anybody else's. Some people don't like aversives or the idea of horsback riding at all. That's OK. Personally, as long as you aren't beating your horse, I couldn't care less what you do with it.


I was just trying to find an example. Sure, small spur nubs can be used as a dangerous weapon much more easily than a lead rope can, but you can still make everything dangerous and everything abuse. Bits, spurs, whips, things like that ARE the most common things that are misused, yes, but there are also anti-bit advocates that truly believe putting your horse in a bit in any instance is abusive. No matter the bit. And yes, any bit can be abusive if you yank on the mouth, jerk it around, cause bleeding and/or fatal damage.

But what I was also saying is that there are people who use it appropriately, and that just because some equestrians use it completely inappropriately doesn't mean it should put that image of harmful horsemanship on every other rider. You get what I mean? I was just randomly saying that because I was frustrated of this common misconception.

I'm saying anything, anything at all can be misused. Anything can be abuse if not used properly.
When used correctly, it can be a great tool for a lot of horses and riders.
This isn't directly applying to you, or anyone on this forum, I was just saying that so many people are anti-bit when they completely use someone's misuse of a bit, or a ridiculous gag, or anything like that, and turn that into "oh, that's what you'd expect from all people who ride in bits." It really makes people turn against people who are doing it humanely. I really don't know how else to say that, I'm at a loss for words for some reason.
Take Marilyn Little, right? She constantly has her horse's mouths bloodied. And yes, she does use terrifying bits and contraptions on a lot of her horse's mouths. She's really, really well known. She puts a terrible rep on bit users, even ones who use simple bits with quiet hands. I HIGHLY recommend you go check out Shelby Dennis's recent video on Marilyn Little and the mouth blood shenanigans, I think she explains it much better than I ever could.
You can literally do anything on horseback incorrectly, resulting in the horse being injured. I'm really struggling to correlate these two subjects in words, I apologize.
Okay, I'm done trying to explain that. I really can't speak today. But in relation to another point you made:
Spurs don't require discomfort to do their job. When used humanely, they're a firmer way to give direction, clearing up confusion of cues between the horse and rider. A good re-directional tool that will come across with less confusion as it is more direct.
Obviously I 100% do not support spurs with blades on them, ridiculously sharp or long spurs, or anything of the sorts. I believe that if they are small nubs that aren't constantly being jabbed with all the rider's leg strength into their sides, and just a small squeeze, they are a decent way of delivering cues to a non-confident horse.
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby CowLord » Tue May 15, 2018 2:00 pm

Oh, I get what you're saying now. Sorry, a bit of a misunderstanding (coupled with a sour mood at the time) on my part. I didn't mean to be rude, and I pretty much agree with what you're saying tenfold now that I actually realize what you meant in the first place, aha.
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Marin » Tue May 15, 2018 2:53 pm

DelinquentDiego wrote:Oh, I get what you're saying now. Sorry, a bit of a misunderstanding (coupled with a sour mood at the time) on my part. I didn't mean to be rude, and I pretty much agree with what you're saying tenfold now that I actually realize what you meant in the first place, aha.


Ah it's okay, I'm sorry for the confusion. Maybe I'm having a stroke, or just a big brain fart. I feel like I can't explain things today aha
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Huggles » Sat May 19, 2018 5:47 pm

Editing this to avoid spam :)

So I'm planning on getting a horse this year, hopefully before summer ends. Ive spent the last 6 years learning how to ride and work horses, and the last year actually leasing. My dad originally agreed, but I insisted on paying for tack, actual price of the horse and shipping, plus as many vet/feet/teeth bills as possible. But that of course is nothing compared to yearly board, which is at least $300 a month here and im almost 16, I feel bad having my parents pay that. So basically I was thinking I should just get a job. The problem is I have terrible social anxiety, so I was thinking why not just get a job at another barn? I could get more than enough money to keep a horse, and have some left over for extra and emergency, while also learning more being in a new barn, you always learn something new with these animals!
By sharing this Im basically asking for opinions, advice on how to go about asking people. I'd also wonder if anyone has experience with something like this? Like what type of barns should I reach out to?
I know how to clean stalls, tack, groom, tack up, feed, lunge etc, ive worked with difficult horses, probably other stuff that I just havent thought of.
Thank you for any help!
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Muffin_Wolf » Sat May 19, 2018 5:53 pm

That feeling of sudden depression when your horse rolls in the sand right after you wash his mane/condition his tail/hose sweat off.

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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Luzien » Sat May 19, 2018 6:28 pm

@ Muffin_Wolf
i so feel you....we once had this, when we did help clean and wash and groom a white stallion, and the stupid silly thing...did roll in the only darn mud puddle on the whole pasture at the furthest corner of it...., shortly bevor people are to come, to see him for possible breeding with there mares (5-10mins are not enough time to clean a yellow brown green horse again to White...), in the old barn where we did stay once...part dirt in tail mane neck behind belly one shoulder 2 legs, some grass here and there...one could only cry....horses really like to make one very very sad and angry and partly laugh while you cry real hard....after i think 3h of useless work when i remembr right ... :roll:
hope you got your horse clean again...i tell you a blanket helps sooooo much after a bath and if need too, use one with belly and neck and tail cover to make it more safe that the horse stays clean till fully dry... :D
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby ryan ross. » Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 am

so... i started loaning a pony! only two days a week. she is a 12 year old 14hh connemara x cob.
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shes a bit moody, but is a great ride. i hope to do lots with her in the summer!


another thing i wanted to say here was mention a youtube channel i love called Fair Horsemanship. If you're open to the more R+ side of horsemanship, then its definitely the channel for you, her animated series is amazing! Just wanted to let you know since she isn't very well known, but she has a book that is defiantly on my wish list. obviously, this isn't an attack on those who don't agree with those ideas, more just something i love and fine super interesting.
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby intothejungle » Tue May 22, 2018 12:52 pm

Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread, so I thought to introduce myself! I do jumpers on an awesome grey horse who I love dearly named Odyssey. He isn't mine, and I hope to get around to leasing him over the summer c: My trainer is currently picking out possibilities and I am so excited! I've been working with her for almost all of my riding career, so I'm excited to see who/what she finds! It's cool to be here!
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Re: Do You Ride Horses? V.4

Postby Wren, » Tue May 22, 2018 2:15 pm

I had a pretty good ride today! I rode Hully, a 16.2 bay OTTB who is my favorite in our IHSA program. Sadly he might be leaving because the English team isn't a fan of the coach (including me), but hopefully if she leaves we'll get a more qualified group of horses and coach.
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