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[rainiepainie ;;]

@BK ♥ CC: Beautiful dogs. c:

So.. it seems I cannot play with Indy without getting scratched by her long claws or get 'accidentally' bitten. The bite isn't bad enough to tear skin, but it hurts pretty badly. I don't think she is doing it on purpose. I don't think she even realizes she is hurting somebody.
Ugh. I really don't like playing with her now because of this.
Any way to get her to stop this?

How old is Indy? c:

We were told she was 3 years old, but I believe she might be about 1 year.

@Niall Horan: She seems to know how to play with other dogs and does really well with them, but she almost always wants to play with us. I can tell she doesn't know how to play properly with humans- when I'm sitting she will rest her head on my lap with the toy in her mouth, tail wagging, and when I try and get it, she attempts to bite. Her ears don't go back or anything. She also drops the ball at my feet but when I try and get it she snatches it from me.

[Dappled Sapphire]

@BK ♥ CC: Beautiful dogs. c:

So.. it seems I cannot play with Indy without getting scratched by her long claws or get 'accidentally' bitten. The bite isn't bad enough to tear skin, but it hurts pretty badly. I don't think she is doing it on purpose. I don't think she even realizes she is hurting somebody.
Ugh. I really don't like playing with her now because of this.
Any way to get her to stop this?

How old is Indy? c:

We were told she was 3 years old, but I believe she might be about 1 year.

@Niall Horan: She seems to know how to play with other dogs and does really well with them, but she almost always wants to play with us. I can tell she doesn't know how to play properly with humans- when I'm sitting she will rest her head on my lap with the toy in her mouth, tail wagging, and when I try and get it, she attempts to bite. Her ears don't go back or anything. She also drops the ball at my feet but when I try and get it she snatches it from me.

When she drops the ball for you get her to sit and wait till you pick it up and throw it for her

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

@BK ♥ CC: Beautiful dogs. c:

So.. it seems I cannot play with Indy without getting scratched by her long claws or get 'accidentally' bitten. The bite isn't bad enough to tear skin, but it hurts pretty badly. I don't think she is doing it on purpose. I don't think she even realizes she is hurting somebody.
Ugh. I really don't like playing with her now because of this.
Any way to get her to stop this?

If she's still young, yelp stand up and walk away when she hurts you
That's what puppys do when they are playing, if one gets hurt the fun stops
I'm not sure how well it works with older dogs? Maybe it would if it sort of startled them too
But it shouldn't take her too long to learn that once she starts getting rough it's game over

I tried that with Wolfgang, but he soon started thinking it was fun when I yelped (I guess it reminded him up a squeaky toy?). The only way I could get him to stop was to growl and he would stop and I would walk away.

[Cardinal]

Thought I'd give an update on Lilly.^^

She's taking to freetraining quickly and I'll move up to clicker training once she gets used to the sound of it. I've started teaching jump and spin, and she's already got the trick down in a matter of days. I'm now trying to teach her signs for them, but she's having trouble with the spin symbol and registers it as sit. That or she's going immediately into 'trick rest', as I've always taught her to sit after a trick.

To 'reset' a dog just throw a treat off to the side.

To charge the clicker get something fantastically yummy, like the best thing ever. Click then treat. Click, treat. click, treat. About 10-20 times. Wait for the dog to kinda.. advert their gaze somewhere else. Click and if their head snaps back to you the clicker is now charged for use. =)

[Satiine]

A dog topic! <3 I'm not sure if there's a certain form I have to fill out to join...?

[Keletheryl]

The world is harder for dogs with aggression. That's just the way it is. End of story.

And, yeah, it is fair for us to say that Piper MAY develop behavioral issues. You don't know the father either. You never met him. The mother was just a farm dog. Piper's not being socialized or exercised enough and your mother won't let you train her. You really think you're going to get a perfect, well-behaved dog? And wouldn't matter if you had gotten Piper the way you did or if you'd found her in a shelter as a puppy. We would've said the SAME. EXACT. THING.

And wow, yeah, I'm so mean and such a bully. How in the world do I even have friends? How does my family put up with me? Like, wow.

The world wasn't hard for my last dog, Boomer. If you think I haven't lived with an aggressive dog, I have. He had possession aggression, and dog aggression.
My dad should have trained him better, but he didn't. I'm over it. But just because he was aggressive at certain moments, didn't mean he always was. He was still a loving dog that would let children climb all over him and get scared if my cats kittens would touch his paw xD

I'm going to ignore the middle bit because i simply don't care.

I didn't say you didn't have friends or that your family hates you, I don't target people like that.
I'm saying, from an outside and inside perspective, you seem to want to argue with everybody on everything. Like as soon as somebody says something you don't like, you target at them. It's fine to make a suggestion (like, your dog is having possession issues? Have you trained her when she was a puppy? No? Okay. Have you tried etc? No? You should try that.) but what you do is you seem to get all offended when somebody says, for example, they haven't trained their dog and you go off about how they should have done that and they should have done this because now their dog is going to be horrible.
Just let things go. If they make you mad, or whatever, take it to pm or just ignore it and let somebody else deal with it if you know you're going to end up going off on an angry rant.


Now, I'd like to end off on a good note, so Piper has been getting better on her walks! She's getting better with the gentle leader and she saw a group of teenagers and another dog and she didn't go to jump on them! I'm so proud of her!

[Jazi]

I should just throw it out there that not every aggressive or fearful dog can "get over" their issues. For many, management is the only option, and that is very very hard for some people and dogs. It's not "giving up" or "feeling sorry" or "making excuses"; it's realizing that not everything can just be "fixed" and instead sorting out ways to manage their issues and not set them up to fail.

At this point though, I think any further explanation will fall on deaf ears. Lord knows why I still try.




@Piper's owner; NONE of us are speaking in absolutes. We're saying that the possibility is there and is spoken about by professionals that really do know what they're talking about. If someone says something and we disagree, we all try to bring up sources to back us up. That's, well, just how a discussion of two different sides works. What you're seeing is a lot of us getting frustrated because no matter how many times something is not only explained but also given sources from those who far more experience, we continue to get the same excuses or refusal to believe parroted back at us. It's frustrating, especially considering many of us who disagree with some things said on here DO have more experience than the speakers, occasionally leagues more (like MalfoyQueen and asian spitz breeds), and we are still (rather rudely) told that we are wrong and it's just something wrong with our methods or something. And that gets incredibly frustrating after a while.



Anyway, in a little bit I'll be dogsitting for my sister again, so hopefully I'll have some more photos of Baby and Buster and Titan soon.

[Keletheryl]

I should just throw it out there that not every aggressive or fearful dog can "get over" their issues. For many, management is the only option, and that is very very hard for some people and dogs. It's not "giving up" or "feeling sorry" or "making excuses"; it's realizing that not everything can just be "fixed" and instead sorting out ways to manage their issues and not set them up to fail.

At this point though, I think any further explanation will fall on deaf ears. Lord knows why I still try.




@Piper's owner; NONE of us are speaking in absolutes. We're saying that the possibility is there and is spoken about by professionals that really do know what they're talking about. If someone says something and we disagree, we all try to bring up sources to back us up. That's, well, just how a discussion of two different sides works. What you're seeing is a lot of us getting frustrated because no matter how many times something is not only explained but also given sources from those who far more experience, we continue to get the same excuses or refusal to believe parroted back at us. It's frustrating, especially considering many of us who disagree with some things said on here DO have more experience than the speakers, occasionally leagues more (like MalfoyQueen and asian spitz breeds), and we are still (rather rudely) told that we are wrong and it's just something wrong with our methods or something. And that gets incredibly frustrating after a while.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, and I never was! You guys are most of the time very right! Please try to understand this.

I'm just saying, and I learned this from personal experience, if they refuse to change their minds, let it go! Because they obviously aren't going to change their mind and even if they are quite bluntly wrong, there is nothing you can do. The more you pester them about it the angrier they get and the more they will stick in their ways and the more they will feel drowned in what you are saying. You guys might think you are trying to educate them, which is what any person would do, but trust me, being on the other end really isn't fun and it doesn't come across like that at all.

[Saracirce]

I should just throw it out there that not every aggressive or fearful dog can "get over" their issues. For many, management is the only option, and that is very very hard for some people and dogs. It's not "giving up" or "feeling sorry" or "making excuses"; it's realizing that not everything can just be "fixed" and instead sorting out ways to manage their issues and not set them up to fail.

At this point though, I think any further explanation will fall on deaf ears. Lord knows why I still try.

Well, I wasn't going to make another reply today but Jazi <3. I never said my dogs were miserable. Not once. If Lolita had no joy in life, she'd be put down. But because she still has a spark, even if it's only shown to us and even though she has her bad days, it's not even an option right now. And it's ridiculous that you guys think that I think Clemmy is miserable when almost every single picture I post, she's happy. When I share so many funny stories of the things she's done. When it's obvious how much I enjoy being with her. That doesn't mean their lives aren't still harder then a 'friendly' dog's. And, no, my complaining about their lives being hard does not mean I don't actively try to work with them. Lolita has made great progress but that doesn't mean she'll ever be a dog who is even okay with strangers.

Which, by the way, I never once signed up for an aggressive dog. That never even once entered my mind as a child and getting Lolita. That never once entered my mind when I agreed to Clemmy coming to live with me because her owners told me she wasn't. I never signed up for this. However, because I had already committed to them by the time this issues reared their ugly heads, I stuck with them. I tried to help them. I did my best to manage Clemmy and still do my best to manage Lolita. Fuzzy, you signed up for dealing with breed discrimination. You knew those things would happen when you decided to get an akita. Your whole reason for getting one was 'to change people's minds'. That doesn't make it any more fair to Wolf or to you but it's something you signed up for.

EDIT: I have been on the other end of things. When I was in high school, I was just like you guys. And no, it's not fun but when people are spreading false information, it needs to be stopped. It's not fun or nice for us either. I don't like coming off as the person you guys think I am. I actually greatly appreciate what people on this forum did and I'm a better person for it even if it was hard and annoying and difficult in the beginning.

Honestly, if you think someone is incredibly out of line, report them. All your doing by jumping in as a third person and telling them to stop is getting them more riled up.

[Cardinal]

EDIT: I have been on the other end of things. When I was in high school, I was just like you guys. And no, it's not fun but when people are spreading false information, it needs to be stopped. It's not fun or nice for us either. I don't like coming off as the person you guys think I am. I actually greatly appreciate what people on this forum did and I'm a better person for it even if it was hard and annoying and difficult in the beginning.

Pack Leeder. Much dominate. So pack leeder. Wow.

I think we've all been there about something, pertaining to dogs or other. Ideals change as you age, concepts differ depending on your experiences in life. I know I was on the CM train and thought training collars were magic, even if I didn't use them myself. Now I'm not even fond of anti-pull harnesses.