Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

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Where have you gotten your dog/s or where are you going to get them?

A cheap backyard breeder or an "accidental" litter
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15%
Adoption via rescue/shelter/etc
616
45%
A responsible breeder
474
35%
I bred them myself(hopefully with good purpose and health tests...)
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5%
 
Total votes : 1365

Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby FuzzyThePunkCat » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:39 pm

Jazi wrote:Wait... why would coat length affect temperament?

Because there is a different gene or something that causes the long coat that "affects temperament" or something. Since I don't go into the "prone to aggression" thing, I've never looked into why they believe that.


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IAmLink wrote:There is a HUGE difference between living with dogs that are not well trained/behaved and that annoy you, and a dog that you love unconditionally being the "bad dog" of the house and every day defending the right for that dog to be there.

Unconditionally LOVING an aggressive dog that everyone else sees as a monster is SO much different from just living around dogs that are not well behaved.


So much this. It's draining being the primary caregiver of an aggressive/reactive dog. You can only take your dogs to the vet during slow periods and hope that there aren't any other animals in the waiting room. (Even if you keep your dog in the car until it's your time, you still have to make that treck through the waiting room to get to the exam rooms.) Even routine vet exams or trips to the groomer are extremely stressful to a dog who is HA or fear aggressive. You have to guess at what the best time to take your dog out for walks is in order to decrease the chance of meeting other people/dogs. And those times change every day based on weather. You can't take your dog into the pet store or have to be very careful about doing so even if all you want to do is make sure whatever you're buying fits. Whether you like confrontation or not, you have to confront people to keep them and their dogs away from your dog because, short of putting a muzzle on the dog, people rarely listen or ask permission before approaching. You have to deal with other people not obeying leash laws and their dogs running up to yours. You have to deal with people giving you the stink eye or accusing you of being a bad owner when your dog does react. You can't invite friends over or have a party at your house because of your dog. You can't go on vacations whether with or without your dog. You can't take them to events in town like going to see Santa or doggy parades even if you really, really want to go. You can't participate in most sports even if you think your dog would really love it. You have to worry about what would happen to your dog should anything happen to you. You have to deal with friends and family saying 'why don't you just get another dog' because you're the only one who sees the value in your dog. You have to worry about where you're going to live because a dog /can/ cause you to be kicked out of an apartment/rented house. You have to watch your dog act like the world is it's enemy because, even with training, /most/ aggression, especially things like DA, HA, and SSA, can only be softened, not 'fixed'.

Owning and loving an aggressive/reactive dog is extremely stressful and heartbreaking.

Imagine how stressful it is to live in a house with your three dogs with 8 other dogs who are stressing your dogs out and fighting with each other and your whole life is set around keeping your own dogs away from the dogs who would attack them. They let those 8 aggressive dogs just fight among themselves all day long and I had to kee my dogs away from their dogs to keep them safe. Can you imagine living with 11 dogs and 8 of them have SERIOUS piles of issues? I am extremely glad I did devote my life into keeping my dogs away from theirs at all costs for that time because otherwise, Misty, Marty, and Kiba could have been really screwed up. Luckily, they turned out fine and now know how to ignore an aggressive dog to avoid a fight. It wasn't fun having make sure my grandmothers dgs were blocked upstairs this time and blocked downstairs this time and outside this time and inside this time just to maneuver my dogs around the house. It was not fair to my dogs at all and I ended up staying at the house on my grandfather's property most days with all of my animals in tow to keep them away from the chaos. One of my grandmother's boyfriend's dogs was almost killed in one of the fights, but thank god me and my dogs werent there when it happened.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Tipsy » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:33 pm

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Do you own a dog?:Yup, my 11 year old pekingeseXTibetan spaniel doggy
Favorite dog breed?:Border collies and Papillion and pit bulls
Tell us about your dog(s), if you have any!:
Precious is my dog she was a late Christmas gift ( we call her birthday 12/ 29 the day we got her). I got her when I was four. She loved my older sister but that was back when she was the family dog, she only bit me and considered me a bother. When she was about five years old we got another dog, a completely diffrent breed a brindle pit bull named Gizer ( my family also debates on the spelling as Gyzer) that was around the age where I began to learn my love for animals, I walked the dogs I fed the dogs I bathed the dogs I cared for the dogs while my family enjoyed their doggy antics (okay precious never acted puppy like she was more cat it was Gizer who was a dog) then sadness. My family always rents and the house we was living in was going to be sold we needed to move out fast. My family begged our relatives to hold our dogs,no one could keep them. My grandma ( who we got precious from) decide to take Precious while Gizer went to our friends house ( who had his sister missy) Gizer was inside dog, he slepted in our bed and stayed inside during the day. Missy was strictly outside only when weather was bad was she put in a cage in the basement. Gizer had to learn to be a outside dog. He howled at night and we knew he missed us. Our friend would have kepted him but they had a newborn baby and the howling woke her up at night they gave him to a stranger who used to walked a dog. A stranger!despite our attempts to find Gizer we couldn't ( only once my older sister saw him but decided to stay away in case he remembered her and started howling again. While we was dog less I got act all black cat named Egypt. When we moved into another house i began visiting my grandma who had Precious. Precious was in terrible shape, my grandma decide dog food was too much money and fed the dogs scraps. Precious is picky she always was so Poochy and Nick ( my grandma dogs) would fight and eat all the food Precious was starving she had an ear infection in both ears she turned deaf. I was so shocked that we took her back. My family was not in the state for another pet so Precious was ignored luckily this was last summer and I was well on the path of wanting to be a vet ( yes precious lived with my grandma for 5 years) I spent days saving and searching home remixes for her ears, I slowly got her on a dog food diet but I have to hand feed her I recently got her to the vet and got her ear medicine and now she can hear me If I scream. It's funny she used to hate me when I was younger now as I type this she is on my lap asleep. I would say she had a tough life and I hope I could allow her last few years be good ones.

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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby FuzzyThePunkCat » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:03 pm

Awe she is so cute x3
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Dappled Sapphire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:39 pm

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Cardinal wrote:Lets play working or show~!

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Work or show? :D


Those two I would say both working and show, I've seen a lot like that being shown here in the UK ( better than the frog's being shown under the title of Alsation )

If I was to go by just one I would say the top is show line and the bottom is working line ( though the slope is more of a roached back than the top ) also dont know if you noticed but there is a bit of kink in the top of the tail on the bottom dog making it uneven and not smooth from the spin.
The dog at the top also seems heavy in the front end compared to what I'm use to.
If I was to go for any of those two it would be with the bottom with less of a roach back.


They're both work.

"Working GSD have straight backs" when its not true. The slope is a part of the standard, working or not. The way GSD are stacked is to show off the slope. =)


Those dogs look much better then this
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I know the way they stack them enhances it but this is just over the top
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby FuzzyThePunkCat » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:41 pm

I saw that picture the other day when we were talking about the sloped back when I looked it up on google images. Thats just sad, you can basically draw a circle out of the curve in its back.
They're not supposed to have a level top line, but it definitely should not be that extreme.
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Postby Dappled Sapphire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:53 pm

Apparently that's how extreme the German show lines can be
They aim for their back to arch up then back down again
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby FuzzyThePunkCat » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:55 pm

jellybaloo wrote:Apparently that's how extreme the German show lines can be
They aim for their back to arch up then back down again

That definitely has to cause some kind of health problems in the back or the hips. Especially in a breed prone to hip issues so bad already.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Dappled Sapphire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:00 pm

FuzzyThePunkCat wrote:
jellybaloo wrote:Apparently that's how extreme the German show lines can be
They aim for their back to arch up then back down again

That definitely has to cause some kind of health problems in the back or the hips. Especially in a breed prone to hip issues so bad already.


I was reading about it here
http://www.vonwardkennels.com/philosophy.html
They say that in roaches GSDs, their hocks can touch and knock together when they move
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby FuzzyThePunkCat » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:04 pm

jellybaloo wrote:
FuzzyThePunkCat wrote:
jellybaloo wrote:Apparently that's how extreme the German show lines can be
They aim for their back to arch up then back down again

That definitely has to cause some kind of health problems in the back or the hips. Especially in a breed prone to hip issues so bad already.


I was reading about it here
http://www.vonwardkennels.com/philosophy.html
They say that in roaches GSDs, their hocks can touch and knock together when they move

I can imagine. I think I read before that they tend to have cow hocks too.

I randomly remember this one documentary I watched about Caucasian Mountain Dogs a few years ago. This person was holding one who was like 4 weeks old and had it on its back and they were smacking at its face and grabbing and pulling its muzzle and then the pup finally started growling and crying to get away and play biting they said "see, this breed is aggressive from the time it is born" and then they went on to show the pups playing and said how they were setting up a pack and the dominant pups would take over and how they would fight, but all they were doing is playing. Every time they growled whie playing (once again, the pups were 4 weeks old) they said they were aggressive. Wolfgang and his siblings growled when they played and they'd growl and groan when you scratched their backs because they liked it. Puppies growl as a noise. The people who made that documentary were insane. Then they showed an old fragile man being dragged down the street by one who was chasing a school bus. The dog was wearing I believe a prong and a choker x.x The documentary was just the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, I can't believe I forgot about that.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Angelus Gaston » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:10 am

I've seen some bad conformation before in the GSD but the one you posted Jelly is the worse.

On the back thing the straight back I mostly think of the small dumpy type being bred in Britain.
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Think what it is with me I'm so use to seeing more of a mild slope ( not straight yet not to sloped ) with the one's we have bred it's. Both cracking dog's though real credit to the breed living in the UK owning and breeding GSD's I've grown up with lines such as Rosehurst, Bedwins ( Bedwins Pirol is on the last line of Axels pedigree) and Shotaan GSD but there isnt just one set type here think we have four

Next GSD I'm looking at is coming from pure working line's from a kennel called Vislor over here.
http://www.vislor.com

Seen these dog's at work during a show and man can they work.

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