Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

Ugh, I'm done arguing with you people. Go ahead and continue to judge dogs and have problems with dogs.

You just refuse, or are somehow unable, to listen and acknowledge what anyone is saying. Malfoy and Jazi and saracirce and everyone else pretty much have given you plenty of info. Have backed up their claims with facts. And the majority know far more than you do, you might as well face it. You are going off of personal experience alone and that can give a very skewed view on the world. Join some Akita forum. Speak with real, experienced breeders and owners. Research your chosen breed more and you will find out who is right.

I own a GSD mix and owned a golden in the past but no way am I going to claim that I'm an expert on either breed.

No one is judging dogs. We are respecting them and acknowledging them in their entirety. Faults are part of the breeds that exist today. A part of the breeds we love and accept.

I actually have joined an Akita forum. I did when I first got Wolfgang.
To me, real living dogs are more concrete evidence than hypothetical dogs.

I feel like I do happen to know quite a lot about dogs. Otherwise, I wouldn't have four dogs with no aggression etc that I have trained myself. And I wouldn't have been able to help the problem's my family's digs have and prevent their newer dogs from getting any problems.

[Cardinal]

I can't believe someone would abuse their dog like this. So skinny. Much chain. Wow.

[Saracirce]

yeah, Fuzzy, you make all the difference in the world. You know so much better then us you were able to prevent/fix aggression issues while the rest of us are just dumb and silly and weren't able to do anything. Never mind the fact your dogs have breeding that's just about as bad as ours. Never mind the fact Cardinal, MidnightDreamer and MacGyver did everything right by their dogs. They obviously just did something wrong and obviously I was too dumb and stupid to fix Clemmy's reactivity.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

yeah, Fuzzy, you make all the difference in the world. You know so much better then us you were able to prevent/fix aggression issues while the rest of us are just dumb and silly and weren't able to do anything. Never mind the fact your dogs have breeding that's just about as bad as ours. Never mind the fact Cardinal, MidnightDreamer and MacGyver did everything right by their dogs. They obviously just did something wrong and obviously I was too dumb and stupid to fix Clemmy's reactivity.

I haven't even seen Cardinal say her dogs had a problem?

Wolfgang's breeder isn't even close to as bad. Kiba's is yes.

I can't believe someone would abuse their dog like this. So skinny. Much chain. Wow.

Is it really a chain or is it just one of those real durable tye outs that screw into the ground? It looks like the one my best friend's dog has for when they let her outside since they don't have a fence.

[gingertail98]

Fuzzy, I hate to come back just to jump into an argument, but you really don't know nearly as much about dogs as Lupen, Cardi, Sara, Jazi, Malfoy, or even myself do. I've been in the dog world actively since I was 10 years old, researching and going to local agility trials and snapping up dogs breed books. I continued to upgrade my knowledge and get more involved as I aged. Now, 8 years later I'm in University for this stuff. I know about animal behaviour from a variety of sources, I'm a member of several different online groups about great danes and dog training, I'm in an agility club, Lucy is registered with the AAC, I'm applying for an AAC membership, I have trained dogs, cats, and my grandmothers parrot, as well as other friends dogs. I eat, sleep, and breath dogs. Lucy still has DA, but she's wonderfully trained and now non-reactive on walks because I continued to expand my knowledge and knew when to accept when I was wrong and take advice given to me, and I now have an amazing dog. Can she go off leash and play with other dogs? No. But can I walk her with my best friend and his lab mix? Yes! You are not a Lab, Cocker Spaniel, Papillon, or Akita expert or breeder, and you need to stop using your one dog of that breed as an example of what you believe breed norms to be. Go talk to a good, reputable Akita breeder about SSA in Akitas, and no, I don't consider Wolfgang's breeder to be a good breeder, their whole site and the lack of information turns me off of them in a hurry. I now consider myself to have a great deal of knowledge on Great Danes, but I have owned three danes over the course of almost 6 years, and in that time have talked to a variety of breeders, four different rescues, two different trainers who have danes, other dane owners, and several online groups. I know what is to be expected in Danes, and I know that none of my three danes are good examples of the breed, mainly because of Lucy's genetically defective colour (She was the only merle of the litter, and the breeder didn't know the mom could throw a merle out in a litter before hand) and her DA, and Lucky and Dirk were rescues with Entropion and HD, Lucky now has bone cancer and Dirk had a genetic heart condition. Does that make them bad dogs? No. My danes have been my heart and soul the past 6 years, it just means they had genetic conditions. Lucy is the reverse of what you're claiming Wolfgang to be. Akitas are genetically known to be SSA, but so far, Wolfgang is fine, he might always be fine, but in a year he might develope SSA because he is an Akita. Danes are known to have even, good temperaments. We went above and beyond with Lucy as a puppy, socializing her, and then around the 1 1/2 year old mark, she began developing DA for NO reason, with no signs prior to it that she had any problems, even though Danes are known to have a good, even temperament, doesn't mean there isn't a chance they will be SSA, DA, or HA. You need to learn how to just accept that others may be more educated on a topic than you.

[Cardinal]

yeah, Fuzzy, you make all the difference in the world. You know so much better then us you were able to prevent/fix aggression issues while the rest of us are just dumb and silly and weren't able to do anything. Never mind the fact your dogs have breeding that's just about as bad as ours. Never mind the fact Cardinal, MidnightDreamer and MacGyver did everything right by their dogs. They obviously just did something wrong and obviously I was too dumb and stupid to fix Clemmy's reactivity.

I haven't even seen Cardinal say her dogs had a problem?

Wolfgang's breeder isn't even close to as bad. Kiba's is yes.

I can't believe someone would abuse their dog like this. So skinny. Much chain. Wow.

Is it really a chain or is it just one of those real durable tye outs that screw into the ground? It looks like the one my best friend's dog has for when they let her outside since they don't have a fence.

Juniper has problems that we have/are working through. =) As a puppy her fear stages were horrendous and violent. She's gotten into fights with three other large dogs, one to the point where she legit wanted to KILL the other dog (a husky). She wants to eat most small dogs. She's pretty leash reactive with other dogs. Prey drive is through the roof and she wants to kill small furries outside.. like cats. and birds. and squirrels. and rabbits.. >_>; She can be iffy with people, it rreeeaallyy depends; Its no unusual for the most random people to set her off (a completely 'normal' looking person in the pet store for example and she'll barkbarkbark our of the blue)
Lucky plain ole doesn't like most strangers and chooses not to interact with strangers 90% of the time. Down right terrified of family memebers besides me, bf, and daughter.


Its a metal tie-out.

[Ethulai]

The expression ignorance is bliss has never been more appropriate.

If you couldn't change her mind back in August;

I know genetics do play a big part in things like prey drive and such but I believe that aggression is a learned behavior or developed behavior. It's natural for dogs to challenge each other or to go after small animals as prey, but it's not natural for them to flat out attack a person or other dog.

You won't change them now.

Let's all just hope that Wolf is an exception and he won't develop SSA when he fully matures.

[Bangtan Boys ♡]

Do you own a dog?: yes 8 two at my moms 6 at my dads
Favorite dog breed?: husky
Tell us about your dog(s), if you have any!:i have a Rottweiler, two border collies, a pitt bull,golden retriever, a chawoodle (PM me if you want to know all the breeds) and a mutt (just ask if you want to know their names and gender c: )
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[FuzzyThePunkCat]

I am not saying my dogs are the norm, because there is no norm.
It's not like I just sit around my house with my throne dogs either. You have no idea how much I put into dogs. I literally do nothing that doesn't have to do with my animals and I've been known as being the girl who is obsessed with animals since I was in preschool. I have trained my four dogs, my cats, my rabbit, my hamster, my best friend's dog, my grandparents' two dogs, my aunt and uncle's three dogs and cat, and I also spent a year training my aunt and uncle's Great Dane, Preston, for conformation and accompanying them to shows with him and their other Dane, Sophia. I have attended 12 different dog classes. I've handled Misty through a Click-A-Trick Class. I've handled Kiba through a Puppy Class, an Intermediate Class, an Advanced Class, 3 Click-A-Trick Classes, and a Foundations Agility Class. I have handled Wolfgang through a Puppy Class. I have handle Addie through a Beginner Class, Intermediate Class, and currently in an Advanced Class. I have handled Bella and Murphy (Bella being EXTREMELY DA) through a training class to introduce them to Oscar in a room filled with other huge highly DA dogs. I have talked to the trainer who trained them and he s the security guard at my school and runs a training business and trains his own police dogs. I have pet sat people's dogs and other animals. I go to PetSmart pretty much daily and talk to everyone the who has a dog. I volunteered at a shelter and helped work with some of the dogs thee that others were too scared to. I a, basically never without a dog. I've been around dogs my entire life and not all of them were very friendly. I have never been afraid of a dog and I have never been bitten by a dog. And along with Wolfgang, I have changed soooo many people's minds. I've been obsessed with dogs for as far back as I can remember and from the time I could talk I never wanted to go anywhere without my dogs or do anything that didn't had something to do with animals. I started going to my first training classes with dogs when I was 9 after yeaovens wanting to, but even before that I was training my family's dogs and my dogs and going to dog shows and drawing dogs.

Plus many of the people who do think Akitas are prone to SSA say that long coats and full coats are very unlikely to have it. Wolfgang is a full coat. Even if I did agree that they "are prone to it", the same people who say that say that long coats don't and so it wouldn't even apply to my dog.

@Cardinal, that's what Jilli has, a metal tye out. I wouldn't call it a chain though, chains are usually big and heavy on the dogs' necks. Metal the outs are light and I see no problem with using them when you don't have a fence, otherwise you'd have to walk your dog out on a leash any time they needed outside.

@Saracirce, I just saw your other post. It may be that the person is trying to avoid having Clementine bark at them because they may not know she was barking at their dog. They may even be trying to save you the trouble of having to control her. Some owners are annoyed when someone knows their dog will react yet they walk past them are stand there near them anyway when it's no necessary.

[Jazi]

Wait... why would coat length affect temperament?