Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

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Where have you gotten your dog/s or where are you going to get them?

A cheap backyard breeder or an "accidental" litter
204
15%
Adoption via rescue/shelter/etc
616
45%
A responsible breeder
474
35%
I bred them myself(hopefully with good purpose and health tests...)
71
5%
 
Total votes : 1365

Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Jazi » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:14 am

⚙ Lupen ⚙ wrote:How isn't it fair? I.. Don't get it?

It doesn't make the dog bad. It doesn't mean the dog can't make a great companion.

But it is not a good example of the breed. There are good examples and bad examples. Dogs who act like the breed was meant to act and those who don't.

Breeders bred dogs over hundreds of years for a reason. To get an outcome that, generation after generation, for the most part, breeds true. True in looks. Health. Temperament.

This really is futile though and I don't get why I keep responding. The problem can't lie with me. It can't just be the way I word things that make it so hard to grasp, because many have told you the same.

Lupen, you summed it up really really well.

Fuzzy, let me phrase it this way as well. My Skoll was a good dog. No, seriously, he was. Anyone who has heard me talk about him at length knows how much I loved, still love, that boy and how pained I was to make the choice I made with him. He was awesome. A total goober, with this spark in his eye and a love to learn. He loved me with his whole heart and I was blessed with every day I got to spend with him. He made so many things fun, even the hard stuff. He made me laugh when I was sad. He even helped me to walk and run on my own again after a very serious traffic accident I'd been in a few months prior to getting him. When it was just me and him, he was every bit what I love about the breed. Every day I woke up to his wigglebutt and his kisses and every night we would relax with him crawled entirely onto my lap while my roommate and I watched a movie together. He was my entire life for the short couple months that I had him. With just our interactions, he was every bit of a model doberman.

I had to put him to sleep because he was completely untrustworthy with other people and I could not risk him biting someone. That is not what a doberman is supposed to be, but it is a sad truth that happens occasionally due to bad breeding or bad training, or just sometimes a well bred dog with their wires crossed wrong (as evidenced by a few dogs from fantastic breeders in fantastic homes has showed me). It's something experienced doberman people have had a brush with and it's something that I sought the advice of experienced doberman people to figure out how best to proceed forward.

And you know, that choice killed me. It did. There are many times when I second guessed myself over the past year that he has been gone. Heck, just yesterday I was talking to Cardinal and Sara about him, and ended up needing to sign off for a little while so that I could get myself to stop crying. Do you know why?

Because he was a good dog. Because it wasn't fair, because he was such a good dog. Because if I could have him in a home that is completely way way out of the city and JUST me there, I would have been able to give him more chances. Because I had to value the lives and safety of the people around me over the value of my beloved friend. Sometimes I dream that I still have him and I always cry when I wake up and I don't see him because it means I have to remember losing him all over again.

Acknowledging your dog has problems does not mean they are not good dogs. It does not mean that they can't be good companions. Even the most badly bred badly trained viciously abused dogs can be good dogs. Skoll was a fantastic dog and it angers me to know that he will never be seen as that by anyone else. There are well bred, well raised doberman that have behaved like Skoll. It's an acknowledged problem within the breed. But I guess it's because folks like us have dealt with the extreme ends of this sort of thing, taken on dogs that no one else would want, made a commitment to these dogs... and we see people saying "it's all how their raised" or "you only say that because your dogs are bad dogs" or anything similar, and we try to reach out and say no, that's not always how it works.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby WilloweWolf » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:57 am

*sigh* this is turning into a full-force argument. Would you just Stop It???
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Lupen » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:13 am

Debates are not against the rules and when someone posts something controversial they should know that it will spark responses and disagreements especially considering we've already debated the same thing before...
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby WilloweWolf » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:16 am

whatever. You could still stop shouting yourselves hoarse.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby Lupen » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:17 am

Who is shouting? Or rather, what comes across as shouting? As far as I'm aware most of us have been pretty tame. :/
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby urie » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:19 am

I agree that this is a debate. The only reason I said you where arguing last time because one of the people who was involved seemed to get very upset and did ask you to shut up about it, and then you didn't c;
It doesn't seem that Fuzzy is upset with this debate, but let's make sure no-one get's left out c:
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby orpheus. » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:30 am

Bleh, three weeks is taking a long time already. xD
BUT we cleaned out our 'shoe pile' which was really messy and possibly a danger to the pup, I cleaned up my room and put any dangers away, and we're going to be covering up our banister just in case Lyra's small enough to slip through. Our cat now has a table used for feeding (just in case she decides it's okay to eat the kitty food) that we've put up early just to get her used to it. Soo - I suppose these three weeks are a good thing, since I have to puppy proof this old house anyway. Everything else seems alright, we just need to get the banister done (which we'll be doing tomorrow) and then everything bad is puppy proofed.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby control freak. » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:31 am

Urgh. Me, in my sleep deprived state, did not notice that I had
knocked our only pair of earphones off of the computer desk.
It's okay...Dixie found them for me. With all of her teeth.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby WilloweWolf » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:33 am

⚙ Lupen ⚙ wrote:Who is shouting? Or rather, what comes across as shouting? As far as I'm aware most of us have been pretty tame. :/
You know exactly what i mean, Lupen.
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I agree that this is a debate. The only reason I said you where arguing last time because one of the people who was involved seemed to get very upset and did ask you to shut up about it, and then you didn't c;
It doesn't seem that Fuzzy is upset with this debate, but let's make sure no-one get's left out c:

It may be a debate, but it's still more like an argument, if you see it the way i do, believe me.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

Postby ~Serenade~ » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:36 am

We had tons of snow yesterday, and I let Bella outside this morning. She took one look out the door, huffed, and ran back into the living room like "Pfft, you want me to go out there? Yeah, right..."

Today (Despite all the snow) the stuff I ordered for Bella got delivered on time. I put each one in a paper bag for her to unwrap (I wasn't digging in Christmas stuff for wrapping paper) She had a blast unwrapping it, and even more fun with what was inside. The invincible snake toy is SO long. She couldn't get it out of the bag and wrapped it around herself playing with it. :lol: When she discovered there were squeakers in it, she tested each section to see what was in it and was super excited when they squeaked. She also likes the octopus, it's got a grunting sound thing in it, and when she bit it she paused like "What the heck was that?" and then kept trying to make the sound over and over again. (That toy's staying in the living room, it'd be scary to hear that creepy sound in the middle of the night)

She seems to love the Himalayan dog chew so far and hasn't stopped chewing it yet.
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