Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

I'm aware of that Fuzzy. Stop being so defensive.

I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm just pointing it out. Some people think all or most Labs are just crazy hyper animals.

I love Labs, they're pretty dogs and they're built so basic that they can be used for so many things. I wouldn't specifically seek one out from a breeder though, they're a little too common and basic looking for my tastes. I'd definitely rescue one though when not looking specifically for any breed (as you can see since I've already done that and have a rescued Lab lol).

[Saracirce]

Well, you are being defensive. You're always defensive. Every time one of us mentions something about Labs, Cockers, Akitas or Papillions or even one of the other breeds in your family, you say "well, my dog doesn't do that" or "the dogs I've met don't do that". It doesn't matter how true it is for that breed or whether we've hard personal experience with that breed, you jump up to the defense. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it.

When somebody says something about Boxers, you don't see me going "Well, Clemmy didn't do that" or "The boxers I've met don't do that." You don't see anyone else on here doing that either. Most of us will either laugh to ourselves and agree or correct the misinformation without using anecdotal evidence.

And, fyi, I actually like well put together field-bred labs who are at a good weight. Especially yellows and chocolates. I would probably keep one if it fell into my lap but, over all, I don't like their overly friendly personalities or the fact it takes them so long to mature Says the person who adores Boxers. but I more then likely would pass one over in a shelter unless no other dog catches my eye.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

Well, you are being defensive. You're always defensive. Every time one of us mentions something about Labs, Cockers, Akitas or Papillions or even one of the other breeds in your family, you say "well, my dog doesn't do that" or "the dogs I've met don't do that". It doesn't matter how true it is for that breed or whether we've hard personal experience with that breed, you jump up to the defense. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it.

When somebody says something about Boxers, you don't see me going "Well, Clemmy didn't do that" or "The boxers I've met don't do that." You don't see anyone else on here doing that either. Most of us will either laugh to ourselves and agree or correct the misinformation without using anecdotal evidence.

And, fyi, I actually like well put together field-bred labs who are at a good weight. Especially yellows and chocolates. I would probably keep one if it fell into my lap but, over all, I don't like their overly friendly personalities or the fact it takes them so long to mature Says the person who adores Boxers. but I more then likely would pass one over in a shelter unless no other dog catches my eye.

I was only trying to say that not all Labs are crazy animals. Not many people on here really like Labs because they see them that wayand I'm just saying its not true for all of them or most of them if they're trained.
You did the same thing on another thread today when someone said Dachshunds are yappy.

[WilloweWolf]

Fuzzy, I was just using an example to illustrate an over friendly dog. And yes, I have known labs who were horrible jumpers, including one my own family owned when I was a kid. There are plenty of Labs who do it, especially when they're younger.

I have a half lab(whittie) who jumps all the time.

[Saracirce]

Well, you are being defensive. You're always defensive. Every time one of us mentions something about Labs, Cockers, Akitas or Papillions or even one of the other breeds in your family, you say "well, my dog doesn't do that" or "the dogs I've met don't do that". It doesn't matter how true it is for that breed or whether we've hard personal experience with that breed, you jump up to the defense. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it.

When somebody says something about Boxers, you don't see me going "Well, Clemmy didn't do that" or "The boxers I've met don't do that." You don't see anyone else on here doing that either. Most of us will either laugh to ourselves and agree or correct the misinformation without using anecdotal evidence.

And, fyi, I actually like well put together field-bred labs who are at a good weight. Especially yellows and chocolates. I would probably keep one if it fell into my lap but, over all, I don't like their overly friendly personalities or the fact it takes them so long to mature Says the person who adores Boxers. but I more then likely would pass one over in a shelter unless no other dog catches my eye.

I was only trying to say that not all Labs are crazy animals. Not many people on here really like Labs because they see them that wayand I'm just saying its not true for all of them or most of them if they're trained.
You did the same thing on another thread today when someone said Dachshunds are yappy.

I'm aware of what I said on another thread 30 minutes ago. But did I use my grandmother's poorly bred Dachshunds as examples even though they weren't at all yappy? No. Or my uncle's dachshund who was an awesome dog and only just recently passed away? No. Nor did I say it wasn't true at all of the breed. It is true that understimulated, underexercised Doxies are yappy little terrors and I willingly admit that.

Just like it's true that most young labs, especially field-bred ones, are hyper and obnoxious. Just like it's true that a lot of labs are really bad about jumping, especially when they're young.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

Well, you are being defensive. You're always defensive. Every time one of us mentions something about Labs, Cockers, Akitas or Papillions or even one of the other breeds in your family, you say "well, my dog doesn't do that" or "the dogs I've met don't do that". It doesn't matter how true it is for that breed or whether we've hard personal experience with that breed, you jump up to the defense. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it.

When somebody says something about Boxers, you don't see me going "Well, Clemmy didn't do that" or "The boxers I've met don't do that." You don't see anyone else on here doing that either. Most of us will either laugh to ourselves and agree or correct the misinformation without using anecdotal evidence.

And, fyi, I actually like well put together field-bred labs who are at a good weight. Especially yellows and chocolates. I would probably keep one if it fell into my lap but, over all, I don't like their overly friendly personalities or the fact it takes them so long to mature Says the person who adores Boxers. but I more then likely would pass one over in a shelter unless no other dog catches my eye.

I was only trying to say that not all Labs are crazy animals. Not many people on here really like Labs because they see them that wayand I'm just saying its not true for all of them or most of them if they're trained.
You did the same thing on another thread today when someone said Dachshunds are yappy.

I'm aware of what I said on another thread 30 minutes ago. But did I use my grandmother's poorly bred Dachshunds as examples even though they weren't at all yappy? No. Or my uncle's dachshund who was an awesome dog and only just recently passed away? No. Nor did I say it wasn't true at all of the breed. It is true that understimulated, underexercised Doxies are yappy little terrors and I willingly admit that.

Just like it's true that most young labs, especially field-bred ones, are hyper and obnoxious. Just like it's true that a lot of labs are really bad about jumping, especially when they're young.

Socialized, well trained ones tend to not be that way.

It's also true that quite a bit of young dogs are hyper and obnoxious. Quite a bit are calm, like Wolf, but that is more rare in young dogs who haven yet to quite learn what is or isn't ok. Unless they're aggressive or shy, which young pups shouldn't be.

Ok, I'm the one who's wrong for using an example. Fine. I'm just gonna walk away from this because I'm sure you will continue to argue a set stereotype as long as possible as always.

[Saracirce]

Okay, it's not even that you use examples. It's that you act like your dogs are the end-all-be-all or are typical examples of their breeds even when they're not. And any time we bring up something about labs ANY TIME you jump in with 'well, Misty doesn't do that'. Because Misty isn't hyper or obnoxious, we shouldn't expect any lab to be that way. Same with Wolfgang and Akitas. Same with Kiba and papillions or pretty much any small breed.

You're not the only one with experience with these breeds either. Once again, I grew up in and around Labs for most of the first 10 years of my life. I know what they're like. I know how they act. I also grew up knowing several Dachshunds and I know what they're like. However, I've also done fairly extensive research on both breeds. I know what's typical and what's not and which of those dogs from my childhood were good examples of their breeds and which weren't.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

Okay, it's not even that you use examples. It's that you act like your dogs are the end-all-be-all or are typical examples of their breeds even when they're not. And any time we bring up something about labs ANY TIME you jump in with 'well, Misty doesn't do that'. Because Misty isn't hyper or obnoxious, we shouldn't expect any lab to be that way. Same with Wolfgang and Akitas. Same with Kiba and papillions or pretty much any small breed.

You're not the only one with experience with these breeds either. Once again, I grew up in and around Labs for most of the first 10 years of my life. I know what they're like. I know how they act. I also grew up knowing several Dachshunds and I know what they're like. However, I've also done fairly extensive research on both breeds. I know what's typical and what's not and which of those dogs from my childhood were good examples of their breeds and which weren't.

Just because a dog doesn't fit into exactly what you are expecting doesn't mean they are not good examples of their breeds. Not all dogs are the same. You set a personality for a breed and then any dog who doesn't conform to that (and there are MANY) to you is just atypical of the breed or is a bad example.

I'm not saying my dogs are the "end all be all", but they ARE their breeds and therefore they are a part of that breed and you can't say that they are not good examples just because they aren't what you label the breed to be. Misty IS a Lab just as much as any Lab. Marty IS an American Cocker just as much as any other American Cocker. Kiba IS a Papillon just as much as any other Papillon. Wolfgang IS an American Akita just as much as any other American Akita. There are many others like them in their breeds. They have just as much of a say.

[Lupen]

Sara isn't setting any expectation. The creators of the breed are - the breeders. The registries (even though having a dog registered these days means nothing, really). The ones who live and love their breed. Who know far more than you or I or pretty much most other people on here.

Dogs are bred a certain way for a reason. We have different breeds for a reason. Standards for each breed, for a reason. A standard that any well bred dog should conform to, or at least mostly conform to. Temperament and looks. Temperament, mind you, is everything from stranger danger to dog aggression to same sex aggression to high energy to prey drive to biddability and more.

We've already been over this so many times but yes not all dogs fit the set standard. And these dogs would not be a good example of the breed. Or simply are not the "norm". Does that mean they're bad dogs? No.

Every dog is an individual yes but there are genetics at play. Their breed has a big impact on their temperament - socialization, training, etc. play a role, too. A big one. But no amount of socialization or outside work can ever change what is inside a dog. Temperament that is rooted so deep in their genes from hundreds of years of careful, selective breeding.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

Sara isn't setting any expectation. The creators of the breed are. The breeders. The registries (even though have a dog registered means nothing, really). The ones who live and love their breed. Who know far more than you or I or pretty much most other people on here do.

Dogs are bred a certain way for a reason. We have different breeds for a reason. Standards for each breed, for a reason. A standard that any well bred dog should conform to, or at least mostly conform to. Temperament and looks. Temperament, mind you, is everything from stranger danger to dog aggression to same sex aggression to high energy to prey drive to biddability and more.

We've already been over this so many times but yes not all dogs fit the set standard. And these dogs would not be a good example of the breed. Or simply are not the "norm". Does that mean they're bad dogs? No.

Every dog is an individual yes but there are genetics at play. Their breed has a big impact on their temperament - socialization, training, etc. play a role, too. A big one. But no amount of socialization or outside work can ever change what is inside a dog. Temperament that is rooted so deep in their genes from hundreds of years of careful, selective breeding.

They're still the breed and just because they don't meet the set expectation doesn't mean they aren't what they're supposed to be. It just makes no sense whatsoever to say the millions of dogs in one breed who don't act the way people think they should are not the norm.