Yur thoughts on pro dog breeding?

[Saracirce]

Being able to jump over benches and fences doesn't make them an agility dog. It makes them a parkour dog. A great agility dog is a dog that's titled/pointed highly in the sport. Just because your dogs are great, intelligent pets, doesn't make them worth breeding. And it takes generations upon generations to make a cross into a breed on any respectable registry and requires every dog to breed true.

There is already a breed called English Shepherd. And i don't believe in giving cross breeds names, even well known crosses, until they are actually being considered by a registry.

[kay.]

I know most of this. They are thinking of doing agility with him, and as I said, I am not breeding them. Springers are Springers, and you can see the spring in them, especially with Marley. GSD's are mostly intelligent. When I get my poochies, they will come with papers, but for Xena we don't need any. I don't really have to do it, its mostly for fun, not money or anything (Do not quote on this part). I would probably keep one, and family might like a new member. Some people might like the cross.

It's my personal opinion on what I want to breed and why.

[Jazi]

Don't breed your mutt. Theres no reason to and unless you've done heavy genetic testing you're polluting the gene pool with more unstable dogs.

Want to be a good breeder? Awesome. Make sure your dogs are tilted in ATLEAST conformation and ONE type of sport. Make sure you do ALL the genetic testing for your breed of choice, make SURE your dogs are OFA'd and CERF'd. Temperament tests should be done, either CGC, ATTs, OR a therapy dog title. Can't do any of that stuff? DON'T BREED. It'll make you a BACKYARD BREEDER. Your dogs WILL end up in shelters and contribute to the thousands of dogs being put down daily.

A good breeder wants to breed to IMPROVE their reed of choice. How do they know their dogs are even worth breeding? The compete in sports like agility, rally, flyball ATLEAST a novice title. A lot of good breeders also compete in conformation to show their dogs are to standard physically. They do a CRAP LOAD of health testing, going to the vet and getting a "Ehh, your dogs are healthy" is NOT good enough EVER. Genetic testing needs to be done when the breed of choice has known genetic conditions. My dobbie breeder tests for wobblers and vWD. A good breeder will have their OFA and CERF which are basically orthopedic health and vision. My dobbie breeder also does echo's on her dogs hearts. A good breeder can ensure their dogs have a sound temperament because they use some form of temperament testing to ensure a sound dog.

Like I said, can't do any of those things? Your dog isn't WORTH breeding. End of story.

Also, breeders RARELY EVER break even, let alone make ANY profit.Before getting pregnant the dogs compete in sports, which can get expensive. Their dogs have expensive health testing. Their dogs get ultrsounds and heavy prenatal care while pregnant. The pups gets first shots, cropped/docked if its standard, wormed, and over all health checks. Not to mention most good breeders feed a high quality diet which isn't cheap at all. It all adds up really quick. I think I read once that the average litter costs the breeder 10,000+ until they are sold.

All of this.

I have a GSD, and her main play mate is a Springer.

You have a longhair without papers if I recall. Longhair GSDs should not be bred, paperless dogs should not be bred.

They look sooo cute together, and the Springer is a great agility dog. Marley can jump over benches and fences in the park.

Quite a few dogs can jump over fences and benches, that doesn't make him an agility dog. Also "they look cute" is a bad reason.

GSD's are third most intelligent, as mine is 3 ½ months and knows her name, sit, stay, paw and is learning lie down and roll over.

Debatable numbers, intelligence tests are usually biddability tests and not measuring actual intelligence. Also that is fairly rudimentary obedience work.

I would want to create an intelligent, agility, medium to large sized breed, which coat colors and sizes that vary (GSD coat can be long, medium or short, and both breeds coats appear in several colors). Not shure of name, English Shepherd, German Springer (You may suggest).

There are many many dogs out there that fit the bill. GSDs are not supposed to be longhair; it's a recessive fault and no reputable breeder should include one in their breeding program. GSD colors and spaniel coats as well are very different, as are their colors. There's also a wide variety of health problems associated with both breeds that you would have to do extensive (and expensive!) testing for, and Springers are susceptible to Spaniel Rage Syndrome. Please don't pull a doodledog and use such an uncreative name.

Maybe I could make it a recognisable breed, although I doubt it.

That is reason enough not to breed them. The world does not need more pet mutts.

We will not breed Marley and Xena as they will be sterilized, and nooo way our parents or council would let us.

Good, they can live their lives being what they were meant to be; pets.

Being able to jump over benches and fences doesn't make them an agility dog. It makes them a parkour dog.

Not even. Parkour dogs are capable of MUCH more than that. Like I said, even untrained dogs can do that fairly easily.

I would probably keep one, and family might like a new member. Some people might like the cross.

It's my personal opinion on what I want to breed and why.

My personal opinion and those who are involved with reputable dog breeding is that this is a really bad reason to ever breed a dog. As said, dog breeding is a lot more than what you think it is and you've only given bad reasons to mix those two breeds so far.

[PuffinMuffin]

Thankyou all for the advise.

I am goning to continue to breed my Aussie x Border Collie X Auisstrailina cattle dog mix. She has had one wonderful litter already and i got her from a breeder. some say her mix is an ultomit cattle dog. She is way smarter then anydog i have ever owend and iknow one of her babaies now if trained right theses dogs can be very intelegent dogs. I am getting her trained to be an agility dog she can jump a 7 foot fence if she wants to she has done so befor. Also the sire is a good intelegent dog she had a litter of 5 puppies and we feed them one of the best dog foods we could find.

[kay.]

Still won't change my mind. I want atleast 1 litter. I know money, space and time. I have a personality that I do things my way the way I want, and even my parents find it tough to change my mind about something. He can jump high, and I am NOT going to breed this pair, in a couple of months it will be impossible.

And, how do you get your breeds now? They were made with other breeds, and wolves.

[Saracirce]

The breeds we have now, every single one was breed for a job. German Shepherds for herding then for military and police dogs and spaniels flushing out game then retrieving it. Every single one was created using a strict breeding program and only breeding the best of the best. It took them 100s of years and generations of dogs (and sometimes humans) to create a new breed. They weren't just two dogs thrown together because 'oh these dogs are such great pets'. The dogs that were bred together had jobs that they all did extremely well and they had purpose.

What you want to do is make a designer 'breed'. A 'breed' that is simply of mix of two purebreds and is purely about looks and/or making more animals to be just pets. Like a 'labradoodle'. Or a 'chiweenie'. There are more then enough mix breeds out there right now that make great pets. We don't need anymore.

[kay.]

I can only start in 10-20+ years. Like some people like a labradoodle and chiweenie, people can like my mutt. I don't like these breeds, but my friends love and even own them. Making them look cute is a good thing. People will like them. Alot of people have mixes, its weird if you say you never had one. My parents had 1, my grandma has 1, and years ago my dad had probably 3 or 4. I am going to breed the breeds. Its the only mix I want to make, the rest, like Salukis for sure, are purebred.

Correction, I need more breeds. I don't like poodles, chihuahuas, labradors, yorkies and most small breeds (Exept Scottish Terriers, Cocker Spaniels, Westies and Dachshunds), and a couple of other breeds (Some include Chow Chows and Dalmatians). Most mixes are made of these.

[Saracirce]

o.0 I have nothing against mutts. I (sorta) own a mutt. I volunteer at a shelter at least twice a week and walk their mostly mutt dogs. A plan to rescue all or almost all of my future dogs and they're very likely to be mutts. What I am against is people purposefully breeding mutts just to make more pets.

All those breeds you listed, that's just a small portion of all the breeds of dogs in the world. There are well over 400. If you can't find a single purebred among all those you like, then you just must not be a dog person.

[Cardinal]

I can only start in 10-20+ years. Like some people like a labradoodle and chiweenie, people can like my mutt. I don't like these breeds, but my friends love and even own them. Making them look cute is a good thing. People will like them. Alot of people have mixes, its weird if you say you never had one. My parents had 1, my grandma has 1, and years ago my dad had probably 3 or 4. I am going to breed the breeds. Its the only mix I want to make, the rest, like Salukis for sure, are purebred.

Correction, I need more breeds. I don't like poodles, chihuahuas, labradors, yorkies and most small breeds (Exept Scottish Terriers, Cocker Spaniels, Westies and Dachshunds), and a couple of other breeds (Some include Chow Chows and Dalmatians). Most mixes are made of these.

How will you ensure the puppies are healthy and have good temperaments? What do you think the temperaments of the pups will be?

[PuffinMuffin]

o.0 I have nothing against mutts. I (sorta) own a mutt. I volunteer at a shelter at least twice a week and walk their mostly mutt dogs. A plan to rescue all or almost all of my future dogs and they're very likely to be mutts. What I am against is people purposefully breeding mutts just to make more pets.

All those breeds you listed, that's just a small portion of all the breeds of dogs in the world. There are well over 400. If you can't find a single purebred among all those you like, then you just must not be a dog person.

Now you are too quick to judge i am breeding my mutt cause she makes great dogs and they will all get good homes. Im the futer i am gonna breed working dogs ( golden retrievers, aussies) both those breeds can br great fot many things. You need to stop fighting on here. Please and thankyou.