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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby i-m-snek » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:00 pm

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Wolves_rock wrote:So my male bettas tail is healing pretty well, and my two females are getting along great! I'm glad they had the correct personalities for a sorority. Hopefully I can get my little white female (Who might be a double tail? Her tail is shaped like a heart) to breed to my crowntail. Last time I tried she ripped his tail apart and destroyed his bubble nest.. I'll probably keep her near him for a long while before trying it again. Let them get more used to each other.


Sounds like you didn't have male and female prepared correctly.

For your male's bubble nest, did you have something set on the top of the water like a leaf or a thin piece of styrofoam (Cut up styro cups work great, but I use that stuff you buy for artwork, it's heavy paper on both sides with flat styrofoam inside. I simply remove the paper leaving a flat styrofoam platform. 1 piece costs like a buck at Walmart and would make around 30 nest bases.) This will keep the nest's moisture level high and the male betta will build his nest under the cup or leaf.

First, before you attempt any breeding, both fish need to be fed up from what they normally eat by live or frozen fresh foods or even a growth formula with 50% or higher protein (I'll mention my business acquaintance Kory at finsnthings.com for a growth formula, mention you were given a referral from Deb for 10% off your order. I've found his foods amazing and inexpensive. A whole half pound of flakes is like $10 to $14 bucks). This gives them plenty of energy since the male will not eat much after the eggs are laid. Watch how much he eats and alter your feeding accordingly to avoid fouling the water.

Next, some female bettas will not spawn in clear water. On Aquabid and other sources, you can find Almond leaves. Put one or 2 in the male's tank. Yes, they get messy, and the water turns yellow, but it's what some of the ladies prefer.

Next once they have been introduced for at least 2 or 3 weeks visually outside each other's tanks, you will want to put the female in a breeding trap or other means of introducing her to the male which lets her hormones into his water and vice versa. I use a plastic (Not mesh net) breeding trap in a 2.5 gallon setting with about 50% water let down. You could use a peanut butter jar with small holes in it as well but you would need a way to hold it down such as a small stone or it will tip over. (I've tried. :D ) Obviously each breeder has their own ways, but the females hormones must be in the males water and the males in the females's or they will reject each other like yours did. (Note here that a willing female typically shows vertical stripes but not all colors do. Other signs of willingness are full stare down flaring.. no running away when the male flares at her. She also needs to be round with eggs and even sometimes her scales will start to pop out a little near her eggs if she's overly ready)

After at least a week of the mixed water, let her out with the male, but make sure there are plenty of hiding places. THEY WILL TEAR AT EACH OTHER, AND NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY, THERE WILL BE FIN DAMAGE ON ONE OR THE OTHER OF THE 2 BETTAS. That's a fact of nature. Betta breeding is a violent process of nature. .

Even if the female destroys the nest, let the male rebuild it. You can put her back in the breeding trap for his safety. She didn't like his nest is all that happened. A prepared male will rebuild for her inspection. Don't worry too badly about his tail at this point because it seems nature is prepared to heal him quickly. Mine always heal within a week from breeding injuries. The other factor could have been age. A female can be choosy and not want to breed with a younger or immature male. Once they are done tearing at each other, she will begin laying eggs and they will wrap around each other and fall to the floor of the tank, almost like passing out. The male usually comes out of it first and picks up all the eggs. The female waits a little bit and repeats the process until all her eggs are expelled.

Once eggs are laid, the male will start chasing the female again. Remove the female. The male will take over and take care of the nest. Do not leave the female in with the male after all egg laying is done.

Remember I mentioned I had 50% water, here's a key. Do not remove any of the water. Each day add about 2 more cups of water to the container being sure to condition the new water. Make sure you're adding the water well away from the nest and very slowly so the nest moves upward slowly with the water increase. Some eggs may slide down the glass, but the male will take care of them. Once your tank is full again, then you can remove some water, again doing so very slowly to avoid nest damage. Once your fry are swimming around, it's time to move your male to another tank.

I hope this is helpful. I've posted it before but couldn't find the post.

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I missed a lot of that, the forum I read for betta breeding didn't mention half the stuff you did. I'll take everything you said into account, and try again once everything is ready where it needs to be! :) Thank you so much! <3
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby wibeke » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:44 pm

I'm pretty sure Tango, my male betta, isn't going to make it. I'm trying really hard to keep him comfortable and I'm going to try to treat him, but he's definitely sick and I feel awful. There's bright red streaks in his fins, the tips of his fins are red, his veins are visible (much more so than normal), his fins are clamped, and he's not eating at all. It takes a lot more effort for him to swim than normal, but he still moves a little and flares at me when I check on him. I'm pretty sure it's septicemia.
Pip is now in the 10 gallon and I switched Tango to the 2.5 gallon to make it easier to treat him. He's just in salt and stress coat right now, as I'm waiting for the medication (kanaplex) that I ordered to arrive. It should be here in a few days, I just hope he'll hold on until them. He doesn't look any worse since yesterday, but he's still not eating, even when I offered him blood worms. I covered his tank with a towel to try and keep him calm.
He was having a lot of problems with fin rot before. Even with very frequent water changes and clean water, it would always go away for awhile and come back. Last week we lost power and the water dropped down to 50 degrees at one point. The power came back, but it took a long time to warm back up again and I think the stress had a lot to do with it. His fins are orange, so I didn't really notice the streaks until a few days ago when they brightened and he started going downhill.
I feel like a horrible owner for not noticing that was something wrong. He was my first fish and he was the reason I got into fish keeping. I've had him for less than a year and it's too soon for him to go. I never thought I'd get this attached to a fish, but I really don't want him to go.
I'll try to get pictures, but I don't really want to disturb him right now.

On the bright side, Pip is thriving. She has gotten so much brighter since I got her and her gills aren't red anymore. She eats like a pig, too. Her coloring is actually really pretty. She looked kind of plain when I got her, but now her rays are bright red and there's blue iridescence in the webbing. She's also a sassy little brat.
I'll definitely get some new pictures of her, too!

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby shim » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:56 pm

Is there a way for fish to get depression? because lately my fish has been less active and eating less than usual, and his colour seems to be fading, he used to be white with light purple spots but now he's more like a beige with indigo spots..
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Dakotak » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:23 pm

~Shimmer wrote:Is there a way for fish to get depression? because lately my fish has been less active and eating less than usual, and his colour seems to be fading, he used to be white with light purple spots but now he's more like a beige with indigo spots..



As I have said before, I dont think fish have the mental capacity to be depressed like we do, but can suffer from a bad environmentand not enough mental stimulation.

What type of fish? How big is the tank he is in? Can you tell what the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels are? How long have you had him? How often do you do water changes and how much?What is the temp of the water.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Firefly_Dreamer » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:21 pm

Okay going back to the topic of Angels quick... I got about 5 good picks and deleted over 200... i also got a new camera and the camera sucks... after each picture was taken the screen turned green with pink stripes. So i had to keep popping out batteries to turn it off, and it ewas reall annoying... there are some weird things that occur in the pictures like a yellowy-water/yellow edges to my limestone and plants... my water isn't yellow, im assuming its from the lighting (not florescent but lighting actually above that. i normally dont use those lights but now only one of the bulbs in my room is working so i keep those on.). Also there are odd green little specks like "burn-holes" almost... you'll see them but i cant really describe them. It also makes the edges of my plants look odd... Like i said i have no idea what is occuring in this but it is really odd. Oh ans i am aware that in the last one, one of my cories uprooted a baby plant... that is a root off of it.

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Can these help with color? i never got a good picture of his green luminescence though... it was hard enough to get the good pictures.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Cardinal » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:10 pm

Ermergerd. I FINALLY saw Amory eat! I've had this darn betta for, what, a month now? I've fed the tank nearly daily and hovered around to watch aanndd.. Never an ounce of interest in the food. Ever. FINALLY tonight he ate like he's never eaten before and gobbled food down like a starved beast. Silly silly boy.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Bolt1784 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:52 pm

Equid Phantasm wrote:
Dia. wrote:
You really should have at least two or three other julii cories in there with him if you don't already.
Cories are most comfortable and also the most active when they have friends of the same type.


I agree, 3 is better than one on any Cory catfishes.

However, I think he's a trilineatus (Sometimes called false Julii or sometimes falsely called leopard Cory) and not a C. julii. Notice his head is lined instead of spotted? Julii have spotted heads and spotted all the way back to the adipose fin (The second top fin) Then the spots become vertical lines. On the post specimen, although it's not perfectly clear, it appears the vertical lines start way up front of the dorsal fin. Notice also that julii have lots of spots in the tail fin versus vertical stripes.

A top photo and a couple other sides would help. :D :D

Here's a trilineatus.

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And here's another julli for comparison, full side shot.
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Note that on the photo in their post, the pattern is all connected and there are vertical stripes all the way back from the beginning of the dorsal fin all the way to the tail and 3 definite horizontal stripes on the side? That makes it a trilineatus versus a julii. The one that was posted shows no spotting, only stripes and wavy lines with just one or 2 spots here and there. julii would only have 1 definite horizontal strip with the other 2 stripes almost washed out as speckled lines.

I just love this forum and as always, hoping this is helpful. Fish stores will very often label julii as trilineatus and trilineatus as julii.

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He was labelled as a Julii cory in the shop, but now I see what you mean, thank you. (:
And yes, I know that they're happier in groups! I'm working on that though - i'm saving some money to buy another trilineatus cory to keep him company. <3
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Blood Storm » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:50 am

we went a few days ago to get me a new betta fish(my copper male died randomly after about two weeks). we went to the same store we bought him from and was disappointed. they had five bettas and all were pretty but every single one of them had fungus and the only one that had no fungus was twelve dollars so we bought no bettas but we did buy a ton of rosy red(fathead) minnows to put in the tank for our wild Oscar(he will not switch to pellets so we have decided to let him hunt for himself...sort of). it was neat to watch him stalk the little fish, then pounce the entire school catching one or two to eat(the rest of the time he left them alone). after we had picked out the feeder fish we looked at the Oscar tank. they had two jet black tiger Oscars with deep red stripes and an odd looking one(he was a cream colored fish, not albino just very light colored with very dark stripes) at first I thought he was ill but when we approached the tank he was the first to come up to look at us(Oscars no matter what, are the most curious fish on the face of the planet, always in your face seeing what you are and what you are doing) we were tempted to buy him but decided not to because we do not know how a six inch Oscar would react to a three inch Oscar and we did not want to know.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Equid Phantasm » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:04 am

herpluvin wrote:we went a few days ago to get me a new betta fish(my copper male died randomly after about two weeks). we went to the same store we bought him from and was disappointed. they had five bettas and all were pretty but every single one of them had fungus and the only one that had no fungus was twelve dollars so we bought no bettas but we did buy a ton of rosy red(fathead) minnows to put in the tank for our wild Oscar(he will not switch to pellets so we have decided to let him hunt for himself...sort of). it was neat to watch him stalk the little fish, then pounce the entire school catching one or two to eat(the rest of the time he left them alone). after we had picked out the feeder fish we looked at the Oscar tank. they had two jet black tiger Oscars with deep red stripes and an odd looking one(he was a cream colored fish, not albino just very light colored with very dark stripes) at first I thought he was ill but when we approached the tank he was the first to come up to look at us(Oscars no matter what, are the most curious fish on the face of the planet, always in your face seeing what you are and what you are doing) we were tempted to buy him but decided not to because we do not know how a six inch Oscar would react to a three inch Oscar and we did not want to know.


Hi there Herp, sorry to hear your Oscar is finicky, sometimes fish are. I don't know if it's kosher or against any rules, (If it is, I'll delete the post) but if you PM me your address, I'll send you a free sample package of a pellet product called black gold that my angelfish fish love. Or, if you are uncomfortable with sending your address, you can email kory@finsnthings.com and ask him for a sample of size 4 Black Gold. Mention you were referred by Debsangelic Aquaria and get 10% off your first purchase.

Why do I want to offer it to you free??? It's because he sent it to me free as a sample and although I've kept it in the freezer, it's too large for even my largest angelfish, but they love size 3 and lower and I also feed my fry black gold 1 every other day, so it's an amazing product. I think your Oscar might enjoy it. I'd soak it in water for about 3 or 4 minutes before putting it in your tank. You can use tank water to do so with any pelleted food. Sometimes it makes it more palatable for the fish.

Your Oscar mystery. It might be a Lutino Oscar as shown here which are basically white or cream with stripes, and almost always black fin edges although this photo doesn't show them. I think this is an older fish.

Photo below courtesy of http://www.worldcichlids.com

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Photo below courtesy of http://www.Oscarfish.com

But likely it's just a common oscar which can come in a number of colors:
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Here's a amazing article about Oscar varieties:

http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/o ... scars.html

I'd be willing to bet he looks like that second photo, lol.

For Spikester About the angelfish.

It looks like a wild cross. it is not an Altum angelfish and seems incorrectly shaped to be a full P. scalare. It may or may not be wild caught or it might just have some wild blood in it which is what a lot of breeders whom sell bulk fish do is outcross with wild blood to produce a more hearty / strong / disease resistant fish.

Love the Ottocinclus in the background.

No worries on the iridescence, almost all silver varieties have a degree of green or blue iridescence to one point or another.

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Equid Phantasm » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:18 am

At Spikester. I notice you have hard water spots like I do. I recommend spraying windex on a piece of newspaper and wiping only in a horizontal motion back and forth to be rid of the spots (If you want.) be sure to stay at least a inch or two from the top to avoid any contamination.

Oh, if you don't have windex or don't want to use it, white vinegar works, but again staying away from the top. It's a base and can turn tanks basic very quickly. I've never had an issue with Windex as long as I stay a couple inches from the top.

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