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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby dark dragon » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:53 am

Silly Salamander wrote:My butterfly Molly is going to die soon ;;
I walked into my room and he was caught in the filter and one of his fins is torn off. The light current in the tank is whipping him around like a brittle leaf in a hurricane. He keeps getting caught upside down on the live plants. He can't keep himself upright and is very weak. I stuck him in the breeders net so he can get to the surface easier and prayed for him but I really don't think he is going to make the night.


Perhaps he was sick when I got him. All my other fish are as lively as ever..


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Is it the inch per gallon limit or the fish per gallon limit? I have 5 1.5-2 inch fish in my ten gallon.

And, I don't know how to find out if my snail is still in my tank. I don't see him. But I have real rocks rather than the painted kind so he would blend in.

Is there anything I can do for my Molly?


I hope he will recover! I have a dwarf female grourami who got stuck in a intake hose and lost her whole tail and a bit of bone I got her out of my dads tank because he has a few Territorial fish and she was. Hiding in a back corner so I took her out and put her in a breeding trap and treated the tanck for fungus because the nub of bone was covered in fungus and I wanted to see if I could save her and well almost a year later she is the queen of a 15gal. That is shared with male guppies and two bettas (the male betta is in a breeding trap and the female roams the tank)

So I hope he gets better!
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Chameleon » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:50 am

Username: Chameleon
How many tanks do you have: 1
Type of fish that you have: Betta
Your fish's name: Tony
How long have you had fish: A month and a half

How many gallons is your tank? : 2.5 gallons
How many fish and what types are they? : 1 fish, Tony, and he is a betta fish.
How long has it been running? : Since I got him; a month and a half ago.
Did you cycle it? : No, I'm not 100% sure what that is, and if a 2.5 gallon tank would need to be?
If possible what are the ammonia nitrite and nitrate levels? : I know I should test the levels, and I am hoping to get a PH test soon!
What is the issue or question? : Well, when I bought Tony from the pet store, his ventral fins were curled, but other then that he looked like a completely healthy fish. But, a few days ago, I've noticed that Tony is less bright red in color and his fins have gotten shorter and looked tattered, ripped and split! It's getting worse each day, and I have no clue what to do. I suppose it's fin rot, but I did do an 8 day aquarium salt treatment in a quarantine .5 gallon bowl when I started noticing black edges on his fins and that they were looking different. The treatment didn't do a thing, so I put him back in his tank. Then, a few days later, like I mentioned, his fins have become tattered.. I don't know what to do, and I'm incredibly stressed! I love Tony, and I really don't want him to die. He is my first fish, so I knew there would be some bumps in the road, but I didn't expect fin rot. His tank is heated, filtered, and the water is bottled spring water. I would really appreciate some advice; if he does indeed have fin rot, and what I can do to treat it. Please, and thank you!..

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Check the PO Box » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:59 am

dark dragon wrote:
Silly Salamander wrote:My butterfly Molly is going to die soon ;;
I walked into my room and he was caught in the filter and one of his fins is torn off. The light current in the tank is whipping him around like a brittle leaf in a hurricane. He keeps getting caught upside down on the live plants. He can't keep himself upright and is very weak. I stuck him in the breeders net so he can get to the surface easier and prayed for him but I really don't think he is going to make the night.


Perhaps he was sick when I got him. All my other fish are as lively as ever..


Question-
Is it the inch per gallon limit or the fish per gallon limit? I have 5 1.5-2 inch fish in my ten gallon.

And, I don't know how to find out if my snail is still in my tank. I don't see him. But I have real rocks rather than the painted kind so he would blend in.

Is there anything I can do for my Molly?


I hope he will recover! I have a dwarf female grourami who got stuck in a intake hose and lost her whole tail and a bit of bone I got her out of my dads tank because he has a few Territorial fish and she was. Hiding in a back corner so I took her out and put her in a breeding trap and treated the tanck for fungus because the nub of bone was covered in fungus and I wanted to see if I could save her and well almost a year later she is the queen of a 15gal. That is shared with male guppies and two bettas (the male betta is in a breeding trap and the female roams the tank)

So I hope he gets better!


Sadly he died this morning ;n; I buried him under the fish tree. (Where I've buried my fish for years ;; flushing seems cruel because you wouldn't flush a cat or dog etc ono)

I'm getting my water tested tomorrow again just incase
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby flyteck » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:28 am

Chameleon wrote:
Username: Chameleon
How many tanks do you have: 1
Type of fish that you have: Betta
Your fish's name: Tony
How long have you had fish: A month and a half

How many gallons is your tank? : 2.5 gallons
How many fish and what types are they? : 1 fish, Tony, and he is a betta fish.
How long has it been running? : Since I got him; a month and a half ago.
Did you cycle it? : No, I'm not 100% sure what that is, and if a 2.5 gallon tank would need to be?
If possible what are the ammonia nitrite and nitrate levels? : I know I should test the levels, and I am hoping to get a PH test soon!
What is the issue or question? : Well, when I bought Tony from the pet store, his ventral fins were curled, but other then that he looked like a completely healthy fish. But, a few days ago, I've noticed that Tony is less bright red in color and his fins have gotten shorter and looked tattered, ripped and split! It's getting worse each day, and I have no clue what to do. I suppose it's fin rot, but I did do an 8 day aquarium salt treatment in a quarantine .5 gallon bowl when I started noticing black edges on his fins and that they were looking different. The treatment didn't do a thing, so I put him back in his tank. Then, a few days later, like I mentioned, his fins have become tattered.. I don't know what to do, and I'm incredibly stressed! I love Tony, and I really don't want him to die. He is my first fish, so I knew there would be some bumps in the road, but I didn't expect fin rot. His tank is heated, filtered, and the water is bottled spring water. I would really appreciate some advice; if he does indeed have fin rot, and what I can do to treat it. Please, and thank you!..

Here are some pictures I just took:
Pic 1
Pic 2

It looks to me like he's been biting his fins. Some bettas do that when they're stressed; like a person who bites their nails. I'd suggest letting him settle down and getting into a routine to reduce his stress as much as possible. (not 100% on this, but one of my bettas used to bite his fins and that's what it looked like)
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Chameleon » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:02 am

flyteck wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
Username: Chameleon
How many tanks do you have: 1
Type of fish that you have: Betta
Your fish's name: Tony
How long have you had fish: A month and a half

How many gallons is your tank? : 2.5 gallons
How many fish and what types are they? : 1 fish, Tony, and he is a betta fish.
How long has it been running? : Since I got him; a month and a half ago.
Did you cycle it? : No, I'm not 100% sure what that is, and if a 2.5 gallon tank would need to be?
If possible what are the ammonia nitrite and nitrate levels? : I know I should test the levels, and I am hoping to get a PH test soon!
What is the issue or question? : Well, when I bought Tony from the pet store, his ventral fins were curled, but other then that he looked like a completely healthy fish. But, a few days ago, I've noticed that Tony is less bright red in color and his fins have gotten shorter and looked tattered, ripped and split! It's getting worse each day, and I have no clue what to do. I suppose it's fin rot, but I did do an 8 day aquarium salt treatment in a quarantine .5 gallon bowl when I started noticing black edges on his fins and that they were looking different. The treatment didn't do a thing, so I put him back in his tank. Then, a few days later, like I mentioned, his fins have become tattered.. I don't know what to do, and I'm incredibly stressed! I love Tony, and I really don't want him to die. He is my first fish, so I knew there would be some bumps in the road, but I didn't expect fin rot. His tank is heated, filtered, and the water is bottled spring water. I would really appreciate some advice; if he does indeed have fin rot, and what I can do to treat it. Please, and thank you!..

Here are some pictures I just took:
Pic 1
Pic 2

It looks to me like he's been biting his fins. Some bettas do that when they're stressed; like a person who bites their nails. I'd suggest letting him settle down and getting into a routine to reduce his stress as much as possible. (not 100% on this, but one of my bettas used to bite his fins and that's what it looked like)


Oh, I'd heard about fin biting, but I'd never considered it.. He has probably been stressed lately because the cats have been sneaking in and peering at him close up at his tank, and I just finished his treatment in the bowl which I had to 100% change everyday... Thank you very much for your advice, I will try my best to lower his stress!
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Cardinal » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:10 am

Looks like fin rot to me. I'd do daily water changes of about 25% and dose with a product called Prime that detoxifies ammonia and nitrites.

How often are you doing water changes? How much are you taking out? HOW are you doing what changes? What type of water are you using, I saw you said bottled but is it distilled water?

Also, do you have any full shots of his tank we could see?
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Chameleon » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:14 am

Cardinal wrote:Looks like fin rot to me. I'd do daily water changes of about 25% and dose with a product called Prime that detoxifies ammonia and nitrites.

How often are you doing water changes? How much are you taking out? HOW are you doing what changes? What type of water are you using, I saw you said bottled but is it distilled water?

Also, do you have any full shots of his tank we could see?


I do 50% water changes 2-3 times a week. I scoop the water out with measuring cup, keeping Tony in the tank. I dump the water down the drain and re-fill the tank making sure it's the same temperature. It's spring water that isn't distilled.

Here is a pic: XxX

The pic makes the tank look smaller then it actually is btw...
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby tekkai » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:24 am

Chameleon wrote:
flyteck wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
Username: Chameleon
How many tanks do you have: 1
Type of fish that you have: Betta
Your fish's name: Tony
How long have you had fish: A month and a half

How many gallons is your tank? : 2.5 gallons
How many fish and what types are they? : 1 fish, Tony, and he is a betta fish.
How long has it been running? : Since I got him; a month and a half ago.
Did you cycle it? : No, I'm not 100% sure what that is, and if a 2.5 gallon tank would need to be?
If possible what are the ammonia nitrite and nitrate levels? : I know I should test the levels, and I am hoping to get a PH test soon!
What is the issue or question? : Well, when I bought Tony from the pet store, his ventral fins were curled, but other then that he looked like a completely healthy fish. But, a few days ago, I've noticed that Tony is less bright red in color and his fins have gotten shorter and looked tattered, ripped and split! It's getting worse each day, and I have no clue what to do. I suppose it's fin rot, but I did do an 8 day aquarium salt treatment in a quarantine .5 gallon bowl when I started noticing black edges on his fins and that they were looking different. The treatment didn't do a thing, so I put him back in his tank. Then, a few days later, like I mentioned, his fins have become tattered.. I don't know what to do, and I'm incredibly stressed! I love Tony, and I really don't want him to die. He is my first fish, so I knew there would be some bumps in the road, but I didn't expect fin rot. His tank is heated, filtered, and the water is bottled spring water. I would really appreciate some advice; if he does indeed have fin rot, and what I can do to treat it. Please, and thank you!..

Here are some pictures I just took:
Pic 1
Pic 2


I'm no expert so I might be wrong, but it definitely sounds like fin rot to me, it's just hard to say from the pictures. About a month ago one of my bettas developed fin rot, it started with him just not acting like himself, then he lost most of his coloring and his fins started turning black and falling off. I tried the salt treatment as well with no luck, the only thing that seem to work was when I treated the tank with both Maracyn and Maracyn 2 together. They are both used to treat fin rot, and if I remember right one is Gram-positive and one is Gram-negative. His coloring still looks good and it doesn't look like he lost a lot of his tail, so I have no doubt he'll pull through. Tony is a very lucky boy to have a parent who cares about him so much. :)

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Silly Salamander, I'm sorry to hear about to hear about your Molly. :'(
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Equid, thank you for the wonderful post it was very informative. I was in a state of panic when I saw that the first male (now named Jones) was still alive. It was the same sink they use to bag the fish in tanks so at the time I didn't question it. Although now that I think about it who know whats in that water. Out of generally precaution I let them acclimate in the water they came in and then fish them out of the old water when they where ready. I'm on well water out here so I usually just use stress-coat for the miracle worker that it is, the dechlorinator is just a bonus. :)

I do have some Jungle Start Right (Conditioner & Dechlorinator) tablets. They come with a maintenance kit I use, but I've never had to use them so I just throw them into my fish medicine draw. :)

Both bettas survived the night and were poking around their new jars when I got up this morning. I'm going to hold my breath until we're completely out of the woods, but I think we got lucky. :) I need to go get some picture, their not the most beautiful bettas but I'm already smitten. Macgyver is so social and likes to hang out with me when I'm visiting where as Jones literally swims to the other side of his tank. Hopefully he comes around, I think he's just shy because when I sneak a peek he's exploring and acting like his brother. :3

The part about the cookie jar was actually quite funny. Maybe once I move Jones and MacGyver out I'll let some dirty filter media float in their for a while, dirty it up a bit, dump the water, put some cookies in and send it to my old history teacher. >:D (Kidding of course!) :D

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Chameleon » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:35 am

Sleipnir wrote:I'm no expert so I might be wrong, but it definitely sounds like fin rot to me, it's just hard to say from the pictures. About a month ago one of my bettas developed fin rot, it started with him just not acting like himself, then he lost most of his coloring and his fins started turning black and falling off. I tried the salt treatment as well with no luck, the only thing that seem to work was when I treated the tank with both Maracyn and Maracyn 2 together. They are both used to treat fin rot, and if I remember right one is Gram-positive and one is Gram-negative. His coloring still looks good and it doesn't look like he lost a lot of his tail, so I have no doubt he'll pull through. Tony is a very lucky boy to have a parent who cares about him so much. :)


Aye, I'm really glad you found something that worked and that your fish is healing. <3 I'm going to look for the products both you and Cardinal suggested, so I can find something to heal Tony! Thank you for the feedback and the kind words; I appreciate it, you too must be an excellent fish owner. :3
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Equid Phantasm » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:27 pm

Sleipnir wrote:Equid, thank you for the wonderful post it was very informative. I was in a state of panic when I saw that the first male (now named Jones) was still alive. It was the same sink they use to bag the fish in tanks so at the time I didn't question it. Although now that I think about it who know whats in that water. Out of generally precaution I let them acclimate in the water they came in and then fish them out of the old water when they where ready. I'm on well water out here so I usually just use stress-coat for the miracle worker that it is, the dechlorinator is just a bonus. :)

I do have some Jungle Start Right (Conditioner & Dechlorinator) tablets. They come with a maintenance kit I use, but I've never had to use them so I just throw them into my fish medicine draw. :)

Both bettas survived the night and were poking around their new jars when I got up this morning. I'm going to hold my breath until we're completely out of the woods, but I think we got lucky. :) I need to go get some picture, their not the most beautiful bettas but I'm already smitten. Macgyver is so social and likes to hang out with me when I'm visiting where as Jones literally swims to the other side of his tank. Hopefully he comes around, I think he's just shy because when I sneak a peek he's exploring and acting like his brother. :3

The part about the cookie jar was actually quite funny. Maybe once I move Jones and MacGyver out I'll let some dirty filter media float in their for a while, dirty it up a bit, dump the water, put some cookies in and send it to my old history teacher. >:D (Kidding of course!) :D



You're welcome for the post. For acclimation though, you can't just acclimate temperature, you have to acclimate the water.

How I do mine is of course the fish comes in a bag. I start by adding water from my water source (Usually tank water, but in your situation, you might just use treated tap water ) gradually into the bag with the betta. After there is no further room to add existing tank/tap water to the bag, and the temperature in the bag is the same as the new water, I net out the betta (Easiest by pouring him into a net) without using the combined water sources and then place him into the new water/new tank. This way if the store used any chemicals, they don't pour out into the new water. Even well water is a shocking situation if a betta goes from city water to well water for example, so acclimation is always the key.

For the other person who posted about their deceased Molly. In regards to the Molly that died, and your other new fish. Did you do this type of acclimation from the store's water to your own new water, or did you just dump them into the new tank?

Acclimation is the LARGEST mistake new fish owners make and it is often a sad and deadly demise for the fish. You can not just dump a fish from the store into new water, it has to be treated.

No one ever answered the question about what cycling is. It's when you have a fish tank newly set up and cycle the water to establish microbacterial colonies. Typically it takes a week of cycling the water without enzyme treatment or 1 to 2 days with enzyme treatment. No new fish should be introduced until this cycle has been performed. (I.e, no impulse buys if you don't already have a tank set up for the fish.)

About the fin rot issue. If your betta's fin ends are a little balled up it is because he's hanging down at the bottom too much. It happens also with long finned angelfish who aren't very active and is a sign of an unhealthy tank or an unhealthy fish. The fact it did not respond to salt treatment leads me to believe he is nipping himself out of stress or boredom more than fin rot. Fin rot starts out looking like white slime, next it does sometimes turn black and blue, but typically the fins just kind of rot off. There are lots of good products for fin rot, so I have no preference, check your local fish store or pet section.

There is one other fin rot type of issue, but usually it will be white in color and it's cotton fungus or Saprolegnia fungus. That is treated with a sulfur based powder I can't recall the name of. It's a yellow powder. There are also fungus tablets that can be bought which dissolve in the tank.

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