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[Firefly_Dreamer]

Question? Do "Wild Type" colored fish make a difference in an aquarium?

The reason im asking is that i was looking up the coloration i was tld my angel was, (a Silver "Three striped") only to find that the term in breeding terms doesn't exist on the aquarium wiki, and that he's a wild type angel.... Does this mean he was wild caught?

Also, i think the molly is pregnant. I want to keep the fry though and have a plan. Once im able to tell the gender of the fish, i will put the males in one tank and the females in the other.

With the petshops fry they only got 20 or 30 out of the female, so im hoping this one will be less. Im also hopin the swordtail is the father (assuming they can interbreed) as it would make for some cool colorations.

[flyteck]

Question? Do "Wild Type" colored fish make a difference in an aquarium?

The reason im asking is that i was looking up the coloration i was tld my angel was, (a Silver "Three striped") only to find that the term in breeding terms doesn't exist on the aquarium wiki, and that he's a wild type angel.... Does this mean he was wild caught?

Also, i think the molly is pregnant. I want to keep the fry though and have a plan. Once im able to tell the gender of the fish, i will put the males in one tank and the females in the other.

With the petshops fry they only got 20 or 30 out of the female, so im hoping this one will be less. Im also hopin the swordtail is the father (assuming they can interbreed) as it would make for some cool colorations.

I'm pretty sure it's just coloration. I'm not sure with fish, but I know the coloration black masked in lovebirds is considered "wild type" regardless if they're wild caught or not. I'm pretty sure there's a wild type for guppies too. So I don't think it means wild fish.

And the swordtail could be the father; I believe mollies, guppies, platies, endlers (possibly only with guppies), and swordtails can all interbreed.

[Equid Phantasm]

That's a great idea thank you, I actually have two little hideaways on hand. They don't have a bottom though but are great little hiding places.

Great save at Walmart, they don't always treat their bettas well since it's only short term inventory to them. They don't ever plan to house the bettas for more than a week or so.. Great idea with the temporary "cookie jars". I was just about to do a post about alternative betta tank solutions (For the finicky landlord situations) but the cookie jars is one great alternative.

I remember you said something about stress coat and aquarium salt. These will work well now that you have them home, but remember you said you ran to the sink at the store to get them some water? Even though your intentions were good, remember that tap water has chlorine in it and instantly taking the betta from no water (Or little water) to cold tap water can be just as much of a shock and gill burn as not having much water in the first place. The added water temperature should be close to room temperature and de-chlorinated.

I wanted to throw those bits of information in for people who want to "rescue" bettas from Walmart or pet stores. Please don't just throw them into fresh water, you could end up killing your "rescue" from kindness. Take the time to dechlorinate or use filtered water which is already de-chlorinated. Always remember they need 2.5 or larger per fish but the 2.0 gallon is great since you mentioned it's temporary. Hey, you have 2 nice cookie jars out of it, right, lol.

Each of the "Temporary" Walmart transportation cups needs 2 - 3 drops of dechlorinator per water change if we're talking the 1 cup shipping cups (Look like clear plastic punch cups.) Stress coat does work for de-chlorinator, but for your future betta family you will want a regular tap water conditioner (Unless you're on well water or use already filtered tap water.) Regular 50% water changes are necessary as well.

On a side note, most Walmart's don't feed their bettas, so in my experience, feeding veyr lightly for the first few nights is best and a 1 day a week fasting period as well. Be certain you don't overfeed a brand new betta, it can lead to other issues.

Well, as usual, my post was longer than I intended. Here's to all our fishy friends who post out there and ta ta for now.

Equid

[Firefly_Dreamer]

I remember you said something about stress coat and aquarium salt. These will work well now that you have them home, but remember you said you ran to the sink at the store to get them some water? Even though your intentions were good, remember that tap water has chlorine in it and instantly taking the betta from no water (Or little water) to cold tap water can be just as much of a shock and gill burn as not having much water in the first place. The added water temperature should be close to room temperature and de-chlorinated.

I wanted to throw those bits of information in for people who want to "rescue" bettas from Walmart or pet stores. Please don't just throw them into fresh water, you could end up killing your "rescue" from kindness. Take the time to dechlorinate or use filtered water which is already de-chlorinated. Always remember they need 2.5 or larger per fish but the 2.0 gallon is great since you mentioned it's temporary. Hey, you have 2 nice cookie jars out of it, right, lol.

Each of the "Temporary" Walmart transportation cups needs 2 - 3 drops of dechlorinator per water change if we're talking the 1 cup shipping cups (Look like clear plastic punch cups.) Stress coat does work for de-chlorinator, but for your future betta family you will want a regular tap water conditioner (Unless you're on well water or use already filtered tap water.) Regular 50% water changes are necessary as well.

Equid

Reffering to most of this (removed the extra)

So does that mean im killing my fish when i do partial water changes? i mean, my water doesn't have chlorine in here, but some houses do.

[Dakotak]

I remember you said something about stress coat and aquarium salt. These will work well now that you have them home, but remember you said you ran to the sink at the store to get them some water? Even though your intentions were good, remember that tap water has chlorine in it and instantly taking the betta from no water (Or little water) to cold tap water can be just as much of a shock and gill burn as not having much water in the first place. The added water temperature should be close to room temperature and de-chlorinated.

I wanted to throw those bits of information in for people who want to "rescue" bettas from Walmart or pet stores. Please don't just throw them into fresh water, you could end up killing your "rescue" from kindness. Take the time to dechlorinate or use filtered water which is already de-chlorinated. Always remember they need 2.5 or larger per fish but the 2.0 gallon is great since you mentioned it's temporary. Hey, you have 2 nice cookie jars out of it, right, lol.

Each of the "Temporary" Walmart transportation cups needs 2 - 3 drops of dechlorinator per water change if we're talking the 1 cup shipping cups (Look like clear plastic punch cups.) Stress coat does work for de-chlorinator, but for your future betta family you will want a regular tap water conditioner (Unless you're on well water or use already filtered tap water.) Regular 50% water changes are necessary as well.

Equid

Reffering to most of this (removed the extra)

So does that mean im killing my fish when i do partial water changes? i mean, my water doesn't have chlorine in here, but some houses do.

If you are not using a dechlorinator it can cause issues. My tap does not have chlorine in it either but it does have ammonia and nitrates. I use prime. Its awesome.
http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Prime.html

[Equid Phantasm]

Question? Do "Wild Type" colored fish make a difference in an aquarium?

The reason im asking is that i was looking up the coloration i was tld my angel was, (a Silver "Three striped") only to find that the term in breeding terms doesn't exist on the aquarium wiki, and that he's a wild type angel.... Does this mean he was wild caught?

Also, i think the molly is pregnant. I want to keep the fry though and have a plan. Once im able to tell the gender of the fish, i will put the males in one tank and the females in the other.

With the petshops fry they only got 20 or 30 out of the female, so im hoping this one will be less. Im also hopin the swordtail is the father (assuming they can interbreed) as it would make for some cool colorations.

Platys and swords can interbreed but I have not heard of mollies and swords doing so even if the male sword "pokes" the female molly.

As far as the angelfish. If your fish has 3 stripes instead of 2, it's likely just a zebra angelfish. There is a pretty significant difference between wild angelfish (Pherophyllum Altum) and domestic (Pterophyllum Scalare, especially in shape. Here's some photos. Typically normal silver angelfish have 2 stripes and a band around the caudal peduncle (The space between body and tail fin.) as well as one from the head to the bottom of the gill in front of the pectoral swim fins.

Silver angelfish:

Siliver Veil angelfish: (Note, this is a pearl scaled, I couldn't find a photo of one without pearl scales.)

Black angelfish:
Black Phenotypes in angelfish
Double Dark black angelfish, a genetically engineered color you would not (I think??) find in the wild.


Zebra angelfish: Note the extra stripes:
Zebra angelfish from Tim's Tropical Fish Gallery

Now wild angelfish on the other hand may look like silvers, but won't have any extra stripes or patterns, they will always be silvers.

Wild Pterophyllum Altum angelfish: Note the extra almost background color under the stripes.
Wickipedia image of Altums
There are P Scalare in the wild in Brazil, Rio DeJanero and other tropical locations, but they always come up silvers.

Here is my all time favorite pinoy black clown owned by Ken Kennedy, a very big leader in the Angelfish world.

all photos property of their respective owners, taken from the internet.
I noticed some didn't post, so here's the website: http://www.theangelfishsociety.org/phen ... dtype.html and Ken Kennedy's beautiful blues are here: http://flickrhivemind.net/User/pinoy%20 ... nteresting

Equid

[Check the PO Box]

My butterfly Molly is going to die soon ;;
I walked into my room and he was caught in the filter and one of his fins is torn off. The light current in the tank is whipping him around like a brittle leaf in a hurricane. He keeps getting caught upside down on the live plants. He can't keep himself upright and is very weak. I stuck him in the breeders net so he can get to the surface easier and prayed for him but I really don't think he is going to make the night.


Perhaps he was sick when I got him. All my other fish are as lively as ever..


Question-
Is it the inch per gallon limit or the fish per gallon limit? I have 5 1.5-2 inch fish in my ten gallon.

And, I don't know how to find out if my snail is still in my tank. I don't see him. But I have real rocks rather than the painted kind so he would blend in.

Is there anything I can do for my Molly?

[Firefly_Dreamer]

Question? Do "Wild Type" colored fish make a difference in an aquarium?

The reason im asking is that i was looking up the coloration i was tld my angel was, (a Silver "Three striped") only to find that the term in breeding terms doesn't exist on the aquarium wiki, and that he's a wild type angel.... Does this mean he was wild caught?

Also, i think the molly is pregnant. I want to keep the fry though and have a plan. Once im able to tell the gender of the fish, i will put the males in one tank and the females in the other.

With the petshops fry they only got 20 or 30 out of the female, so im hoping this one will be less. Im also hopin the swordtail is the father (assuming they can interbreed) as it would make for some cool colorations.

Platys and swords can interbreed but I have not heard of mollies and swords doing so even if the male sword "pokes" the female molly.

As far as the angelfish. If your fish has 3 stripes instead of 2, it's likely just a zebra angelfish. There is a pretty significant difference between wild angelfish (Pherophyllum Altum) and domestic (Pterophyllum Scalare, especially in shape. Here's some photos. Typically normal silver angelfish have 2 stripes and a band around the caudal peduncle (The space between body and tail fin.) as well as one from the head to the bottom of the gill in front of the pectoral swim fins.

Silver angelfish:

Siliver Veil angelfish: (Note, this is a pearl scaled, I couldn't find a photo of one without pearl scales.)

Black angelfish, a melano silver by genetics that can pop up in almost any hatch of any color, ie a throwback:

Double Dark black angelfish, a genetically engineered color you would not (I think??) find in the wild.


Zebra angelfish: Note the extra stripes:


Now wild angelfish on the other hand may look like silvers, but won't have any extra stripes or patterns, they will always be silvers.

Wild Pterophyllum Altum angelfish: Note the extra almost background color under the stripes.



There are P Scalare in the wild in Brazil, Rio DeJanero and other tropical locations, but they always come up silvers.

Here is my all time favorite pinoy black clown owned by Ken Kennedy, a very big leader in the Angelfish world.

all photos property of their respective owners, taken from the internet.
I noticed some didn't post, so here's the website: http://www.theangelfishsociety.org/phen ... dtype.html and Ken Kennedy's beautiful blues are here: http://flickrhivemind.net/User/pinoy%20 ... nteresting

Equid

Hey equid, mine kinda looks like the first picture posted, but it has a stripe behind his eyeall the ay up the top to te bottom like the one wild you posted, and he has bigger fuller fins as well as on the wild type and the last picture the thingies coming off the tail that look like a continueation of it. He also has red eyes and a gree leopard-like luminescense on his fis... i can get a picture if you'd like.

[Lonin]

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Question-
Is it the inch per gallon limit or the fish per gallon limit? I have 5 1.5-2 inch fish in my ten gallon.

Inches per gallon is kinda nonsense whatever it is. At best it's a rough guide and would work a little better as cubic inches. Not a bad starting place but not the only thing to consider when stocking a tank.
It doesn't really work that well for most fish as it doesn't account for bioload, temperament, activity level and whether the fish needs to be in a group, the shape of the fish, as well as often not full adult size. Neon tetras, for example, get to about 1 inch so by the inch per gallon thing you could have a few of them in a 6 gallon. But they're very active fish and would do best with at least 20 gallons to thrive c:

What fish are they? c:

[Check the PO Box]

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Question-
Is it the inch per gallon limit or the fish per gallon limit? I have 5 1.5-2 inch fish in my ten gallon.

Inches per gallon is kinda nonsense whatever it is. At best it's a rough guide and would work a little better as cubic inches. Not a bad starting place but not the only thing to consider when stocking a tank.
It doesn't really work that well for most fish as it doesn't account for bioload, temperament, activity level and whether the fish needs to be in a group, the shape of the fish, as well as often not full adult size. Neon tetras, for example, get to about 1 inch so by the inch per gallon thing you could have a few of them in a 6 gallon. But they're very active fish and would do best with at least 20 gallons to thrive c:

What fish are they? c:

A tiger barb (?), a orange fish with a black spot on the side, a lamp eye tetra, a lyartail (however you spell it) guppy, and my poor butterfly Molly